From: o j_k
Date: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:44 AM
ICC Prosecutor Louis Moreno Ocampo, you are the weirdest prosecutor I ever heard of.
You came to Kenya to prosecute the masterminds of the 2008 post election violence; those who plotted the slaughter of fellow human beings, or gave orders to slaughter, or provided weapons to slaughter, or did the actual slaughter.
But based on what we know, the hotel where you sleep belongs to them., the people driving you around are them, the people dining you, and wining you, and gifting you are them. Every time I look around, you are having fun in our beautiful Kenya, with them.
You are having a blast in Kenya, being toured around like celebrity on holiday, by the same known thieves and murderers!
How are you going to prosecute people you have already gone out of your way and befriended, the people who have dined you, and wined you, and gifted you, and slept in their bed? Isn’t that what the ICC court judge, or any judge for that matter, will consider as a “conflict of interest”, thereby throwing out the case? Aren’t you already compromised and corrupted?
Why are you going out of your way to create a reason to not prosecute? We trusted you!
Love you.
Odundo jaKarateng’
http://blog.jaluo.com/
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Subject: Fwd: ICC Prosecutor Louis Moreno Ocampo, you are the weirdest prosecutor I ever heard of.
To: Jaluo Jaluo (jaluo@jaluo.com)
Folks,
Did Ocampo compromised himself with Violence against Humanity case upon his visit to Kenya, when he was seen showered with goodies, a treat tour to the animal zoo, expensive hotel facility stay owned by suspects at their own expense? What does this portray? Was there something we are missing that took place behind the curtain,which we should be told? Does he still qualify to handle the case at the Hague? What’s cooking people? Did Ocampo bargain to throw out the case? We want answers people.
We must go to the bottom and uproot hidden agenda.
Should the Civil Society take up the case solely to its finalization if the Government of Kibaki and PM Raila are beginning dodge reality, by playing ping pong?
People……… we cannot let this case go bazaar to the dogs. We must put a final nail and closure after justice is seen to be done. Peoples lives were consumed, victims and their family are still in serious pain. We cannot assume dangerous games played by politicians, they are about to do a repeat. The spirit of the lost ones will not rest until we come to fair conclusion of the matter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df9wTPOcdbY
Adopt-a-suspect?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Z4mnb8kd8
Reactions on Ocampo’s visit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2x-GNxCxhU
Mixed reactions on Ocampo’s visit
Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
— On Sat, 11/7/09, o j_k wrote:
From: o j_k
Subject: [YP_Ke] ICC Prosecutor Louis Moreno Ocampo, you are the weirdest prosecutor I ever heard of.
To: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 11:32 AM
ICC Prosecutor Louis Moreno Ocampo, you are the weirdest prosecutor I ever heard of.
You came to Kenya to prosecute the masterminds of the 2008 post election violence; those who plotted the slaughter of fellow human beings, or gave orders to slaughter, or provided weapons to slaughter, or did the actual slaughter.
But based on what we know, the hotel where you sleep belongs to them., the people driving you around are them, the people dining you, and wining you, and gifting you are them. Every time I look around, you are having fun in our beautiful Kenya, with them.
You are having a blast in Kenya, being toured around like celebrity on holiday, by the same known thieves and murderers!
How are you going to prosecute people you have already gone out of your way and befriended, the people who have dined you, and wined you, and gifted you, and slept in their bed? Isn’t that what the ICC court judge, or any judge for that matter, will consider as a “conflict of interest”, thereby throwing out the case? Aren’t you already compromised and corrupted?
Why are you going out of your way to create a reason to not prosecute? We trusted you!
Love you.
Odundo jaKarateng’
http://blog.jaluo.com/
Kenya may back out of arrest deal with ICC
The ICC appointed three judges to hear Mr Ocampo’s request to investigate Kenyan suspects. Chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo intends to go to court next month and have the suspects ready for trial by July. Photo/ FILE
The ICC appointed three judges to hear Mr Ocampo’s request to investigate Kenyan suspects. Chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo intends to go to court next month and have the suspects ready for trial by July. Photo/ FILE
By NATION Team Posted Sunday, November 8 2009 at 22:30
The Kenyan Government on Sunday appeared to be having second thoughts about an agreement to arrest and hand over to the International Criminal Court election violence suspects.
Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo left Kenya last week believing that he had a firm promise from the government to arrest and send to The Hague the suspects once they are indicted.
“Kenya will arrest them. And Kenya leaders expressed openly this (sic) cooperation…their role is to arrest the persons. So it’s clear the pace has been decided, and for me, that is the most important thing that happened in my trip,” Mr Ocampo said at the end of his tour.
Change of mind
However, senior government officials, in background briefings to reporters, were either evasive or appeared to reflect a change of mind in government. The government agreed to cooperate in the investigations, they said, not in arresting the indicted suspects.
On Thursday, the government refused to grant Mr Ocampo permission to investigate the masterminds and financiers of the chaos in which more than 1,000 people were killed and 600,000 displaced in ethnic violence. The law allows Mr Ocampo to start investigations without a country’s permission so long as he can get a court order.
On the same day, the ICC appointed three judges to hear Mr Ocampo’s request to investigate the Kenyan suspects. He intends to go to court next month and have the suspects ready for trial by July. Asked at the weekend about the promise to arrest the suspects, Prime Minister Raila Odinga was non-committal. “We have not reached that hurdle yet,” he said.
Mr Ocampo said arresting suspects was part of the cooperation expected from countries which had signed the Roman Statute, the agreement establishing the ICC. The government is likely to come under diplomatic pressure to cooperate. Already, the US cancelled the visa for Attorney-General Amos Wako, accusing him of not doing enough to deal with corruption.
On Thursday, the officials argued that referring cases to the ICC would be an admission that Kenya is a failed state without functioning institutions. The officials pointed out that none of the countries whose citizens are being tried at the Hague took part in their arrest, a clear pointer that while the ICC’s work will not be overtly opposed, support might not be enthusiastic.
ICC arrest warrants can be effected by any country. Former Liberian leader Charles Taylor was seized in Nigeria while Democratic Republic of Congo’s Jean Pierre Bemba was cornered in the suburbs of Brussels in Belgium. The African Union has been complaining that the ICC has been quick to target leaders from the continent but did not pursue with as much zeal other violators of human rights from Europe, United States and Asia.
Africa has five cases at The Hague: DR Congo, Uganda, Liberia, Sudan and now Kenya. In public, the government is promising to cooperate with Mr Ocampo, if he gets the judges’ go-ahead to launch investigations. “We will cooperate with Ocampo because we are a signatory to the Rome Statute and we have an obligation to,” Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister Mutula Kilonzo told the Nation.
But the government has not given up establishing a tribunal to try the suspects at home, the only way the ICC’s process can be stopped. Mr Kilonzo said either the local tribunal or a special division of the High Court could serve the purpose if they meet international standards as set out in the Rome Statute.
In both cases, he said that powers of the President to pardon suspects, the Attorney Generals leeway of withdrawing cases and the chief Justice’s powers to transfer judges must be removed. Mr Ocampo, an Argentinian prosecutor, is confident that he has a strong case and will get the permission of judges Cuno Tarfusser, Hans-Peter Kaul and Ekaterina Trendafilova to start work.
Roads minister Franklin Bett criticised the agreement, arguing that Kenyans should take charge of their problems and stop looking for foreign solutions. He is from the Rift Valley, where the bulk of the crimes against civilians took place.
Agriculture minister William Ruto, who spoke to the Nation last evening, said Mr Ocampo was welcome to conduct investigations as long as they were credible. “My position has always been that any independent investigations that will unravel the truth are welcome. Ocampo is welcome, he deserves our support to carry out investigations that will yield the truth and not what the Waki Commission said,” he said.
Mr Bett said a problem in the house is solved by a man and his wife. The time had come, he added, for the residents of Rift Valley to speak with one voice and find ways to live together in peace.
“If you take Bett to The Hague and leave Kenyans baying for one another’s blood, have you solved the problem? We need a process that is all-inclusive and practical. Ocampo and (former UN secretary general Kofi) Annan came for a casual visit to Kenya and left us to live together as brothers and sisters,” said Mr Bett.
— Reports by Bernard Namunane, James Kariuki and Sammy Cheboi
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Submitted by babumarjan
Posted November 09, 2009 04:37 PM
maugo1234 I appreciate the fact that you have a right to your own opinion. In 1992 and 1997 there was no Kibaki or Raila. People were killed in the Rift Valley and the Coast Province just because they were thought to be in the opposition. The ICC will only go for people who incited others in to killing their fellow Kenyans. It is said that some politicians literally used the “Inyenze” language. Most politicians who are making noise, know for sure that they are guilty.If not why should this issue concern them so much?
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Submitted by dedacus
Posted November 09, 2009 03:58 PM
whoever is talking about foreigners not meddling in our affairs is lost. tell that to the birds.at least they will chirp. the PEV issue is out of our hands. those who are also out to try frustrate the ICC are in for a rude shock. the earlier you sort out your legal defence team, the better. you can engage me for sober advice and not sycophancy.
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Submitted by maugo1234
Posted November 09, 2009 03:12 PM
Ken09 -your submission is simplistic and pedestrian. What makes punishing impunity a challenge are comments that focus on church burnings, but ignore the many innocent lives that were lost in Naivasha as well as the many that were felled by police bullets. Let us not ethnicise impunity. The high priests of impunity include top officials from ODM and PNU. I would therefore be reluctant to include Raila and exclude Kibaki. What has Kibaki done to address the issue? Nothing! He is the chief executive. We are adoring Ocampo yet he did not get our vote. ribalism fosters impunity.
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Submitted by tusker78
Posted November 09, 2009 01:48 PM
Those who live by the sword,die by the sword. Let justice be served at the Hague.
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Submitted by jini42
Posted November 09, 2009 01:17 PM
Mr Bett you are wrong. Ocampo and Annan did not come to Kenya for a casual visit, they came so sort out the mess that you leaders created and when families have domestic problems people from outside “do” come and help solve them.
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Submitted by babumarjan
Posted November 09, 2009 01:16 PM
The guilty know themselves. How come that it is only a handful of politicians who are crying foul when it comes to the Ocampo issue? When they were inciting people did they expect to be left free? We dont want to have ethnic clashes in future. Let these people go to THE Hague and they be locked up forever. The few people who know that they are culprits are going round saying Kenyans need reconciliation and forgiveness. True but only when these culprits are locked up so that they can serve as an example!
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Submitted by mureithijm
Posted November 09, 2009 01:09 PM
As I said earlier,the problem of any action that will be taken against Kenya for non compliance of Ocampo’s requiremets will be fely by the common man. The problem Kenya will face would be greater than in Zimbambwe.People writing articles supporting our doomed leaders in one way or another will remember this comment when it comes pass.Ruto,Raila, Kibaki and others will be enjoying life like Mugabe does while majority of his people have starved to death and some are refugees in neighbouring countries.Watch out
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Submitted by ken09
Posted November 09, 2009 11:52 AM
Kibaki and Raila can engage in their merry-go-round dance as long as the beats can last. No matter how long it takes, blood of innocent Kenyans who were killed due to your actions will never go unpunished. Didn’t Raila and Kibaki post suspect results in their strongholds? Isn’t it a fact Raila’s Mass Action ended in mass murder, destruction and uprooting people from their homes? ICC shud not spare the Mass Action General and his troops who savagely killed in name of stolen elections. What had the slain or uprooted victims got to do with Kibaki?
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Submitted by Tribeless
Posted November 09, 2009 11:44 AM
Already the process is bearing fruit. These fire breathing characters are now saying RV people can now ‘talk’ instead of their usual cries of ‘foreigners’ to leave the province. By the time Ocampo is through with them, they will be singing peace like a song and will never have another opportunity to butcher innocent children again.
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Submitted by oletiptip
Posted November 09, 2009 10:29 AM
u can just tell the culprits from there speeches. if ur not guilty why do u care if ocampo will take u to the hague or to pluto. women,children and men died the blood is in your hands there is not escaping this.just sit still and count the hours the dead are screaming for justice
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Submitted by mukenyakamili
Posted November 09, 2009 10:22 AM
I think Hon. Bett is missing the point on this issue.This is the rule of the law,determining right and wrong and bringing forth closure to this issue.Kenyans should not be manipulated by self seekers in thinking their politicians are being targeted.Those who authorized the killings and those who did kill should be held responsible and punished for their crimes
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Submitted by babumarjan
Posted November 09, 2009 10:09 AM
This Bett man is funny. How can he relate the PEV issue with ” a man and his wife”? Even in the event of domestic violence, outsiders intervene. We are talking about dead Kenyans here. People who were killed in vain. Let all those who incited people to kill their fellow Kenyans be brought to book. This will serve as a future lesson!
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Submitted by betran
Posted November 09, 2009 09:54 AM
Saw this coming we look upon God top deliver justice to the affected families and Kenyans for our ailing economy as a result.
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Submitted by Linda415
Posted November 09, 2009 09:51 AM
Mass action ended up in deaths, tears, destruction and uprooting people from their homes. That’s a crime against humanity. The Mass Action general and troops who heeded his call shud carry their cross. Ruto and Bett think Kenya would sink without them? You fought for a thankless General.
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Submitted by okamala
Posted November 09, 2009 08:27 AM
Politicians should stop blaming the west and playing games with Kenyans. The Hague option in the best alternative because we had a chance to form a local tribunal and failed. We have political patronage and impunity deeply rooted, and this is what kills credibility in our justice system. Look even ministers and top civil servants refusing to surrender vehicles when it’s a government policy
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Submitted by Chrissenior
Posted November 09, 2009 12:40 AM
The roads minister should be able to understand the walfare of the Kenyan people is more important than that of an individual.He sounds like he is suspecting himself.Mr minister,should you be one of them,then you can’t escape the long hand of the ICC.They will come and get you.
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Submitted by werssylwer
Posted November 08, 2009 11:46 PM
This Bett man must think this is some kind of a joke. I dont think he understands the gravity of the situation. Right now it does not matter what the govt does. People like this Bett need to be made an example, and trust me Ocampo will. Why is he making veiled threats about people baying for each other’s blood if some are arrested? That should be another count on which he should be charged. He just doesnt get it.
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Submitted by Nichoo
Posted November 08, 2009 10:54 PM
Its painfull for our leaders to continue advocating for mwananchi to live in harmony and solve our problems.Why cant Ruto and Bett first advocate for the peacefull existence in the community.The IDPs at one point they had a home and a land in rift valley before ejection.We cry for Ocampo since we have a run down justice in the country, and kenya politicians like it.They look at us as their objects.Oh Ocampo come so quick!
Raila assures ICC of Kenya’s support
Prime Minister Raila Odinga during the interview with Sunday Nation. Photo/WILLIAM OERI
By EMEKA-MAYAKA GEKARA Posted Saturday, November 7 2009 at 22:30
Prime Minister Raila Odinga on Saturday declared he would surrender to the International Criminal Court (ICC) if prosecutor Luis Moreno Ocampo builds a strong case linking him to the post-election violence. “I will not wait to be arrested. I will volunteer information,” he said.
Speaking to the Sunday Nation, Mr Odinga also backed the decision by the ICC to appoint a three-judge bench to assess the Kenyan case. He said the government would fully cooperate with Mr Ocampo in his efforts to bring the post-election violence suspects to account.
“President Kibaki and I agreed that the prosecutor should proceed with his work and Kenya would cooperate.” The Prime Minister said they could not make a formal referral of the Kenyan case to the ICC because they did not want Kenya to join the league of failed states. “We also didn’t want to show that our judicial system had failed,” he said.
But the PM could not say if his party ODM would readily hand over any of its key members to the ICC if required. “We have not reached that hurdle yet,” he said. He defended the government’s record on reforms, accusing the media of failure to highlight any gains made.
Among the achievements, Mr Odinga cited disbandment of the Kivuitu-led Electoral Commission of Kenya, ongoing drafting of the new constitution, the Kazi kwa Vijana (jobs for youth) scheme and establishment of Truth Justice and Reconciliation Commission as well as the boundaries review commission. He also pointed out part of the government’s effort to reform the police force.
“Kenyans forget that we also had to wait for the Kriegler and Waki commissions to give us reports before we could start the process of enacting certain reforms,” he said. However, Mr Odinga stressed the need for more reforms in the Judiciary and at the State Law Office.
On the mapping out of constituency boundaries, he said he believes that both population and geographical factors are important in the exercise. He said the performance of the State Law Office is an issue of major concern to him but defended the Attorney-General over allegations of failure.
“We cannot entirely blame the Attorney-General on the failures of his office. We have noted a systematic blame game between the AG’s office, the Kenya Anti Corruption Commission and even the Judiciary. “On one hand, KACC says it is handicapped as it lacks prosecutorial powers. On the other, the AG says he has not got comprehensive evidence to sustain cases. That is why we are keen on total reforms in these institutions,” the PM said.
On constitution review, the PM was optimistic that a consensus would be reached as the differences that led to the rejection of the draft law in 2005 “have really narrowed”.
“We have set up a team from both sides of the coalition to harmonise our positions. We have a problem because some people have invented what they want to be seen as contentious issues. For instance, the kadhi courts were not contentious in 2005. We appeal to the stakeholders to avoid unnecessary antagonism so that we can a new constitution once and for all,” he said.
Speaking in Kibera later on, he said the government would present a draft constitution for a referendum vote only after everyone has agreed with its contents. The PM said the government had resolved to avoid a constitutional referendum where Kenyans will be asked to vote to either approve or reject the new laws like it happened in 2005. “This time round we have agreed that we will not go to a referendum before agreeing, so that we all vote in one accord,” he said.
I have no time as it is to respond comprehensively to the diatribe and ranting of Miriga. All am requesting is for the Moderator to seriously consider either to ban or edit this ladies hate campaign all in the name of debate.
It is clear that she does not only have a Kikuyu phobia but a severe psychological problem manifested as hate to anything Kikuyu. When you start reading her contributions you are not only treated to insults and self repetitions AND illogical MAKE BELIEFS but linguistic incompetency and demagoguery like only Judy can unashamedly post.
She is was for long obsessed with Ambassador Ogego, Now its President Obama, she will hover from one to the other even when the theme was Kenyan roads,or News papers.
She has all along claimed to be spokes person for Kenyans in the diaspora a none existent post, soon she will be Obama or his wife and all this explains the kind of person we are dealing with. Her Friends should get her help please.
Hi Judy,
I watched TV when Mutula Kilonzo, the minister for Justice and Constitutional Affairs was taking Ocampo around one of the National Parks in the country. I got the feeling that the Government is tactically softening Ocampo so that the prosecutions don’t touch the ones who bore greatest responsibility.
But i want to state that my expectations of Ocampo and the ICC are higher and i don’t think that Ocampo will stoop this low, given that he issues an arrest warrant to Sudan’s Bashir.
I suggest that we give Ocampo up to March 2010, and see what comes out of the ICC process. We all know what the Government is trying. But Ocampo will rely on quite a number of reports, and not just a mere trip to a National Park, to arrive at his conclusions.
Regards
Mumia
Judy,
You entitled to your views. However, I find them extremely alarmist, based on mere speculation and suspicion and hence cannot stand the simplest of tests. For instance which of the (speculated) suspects paid for O’Campo’s stay or visits to wherever and where is the evidence??? As far as I am concerned, O’Campo was on an official visit and his costs ought to have been met by his employer – the ICC. If Ocampo is the reputable prosecutor the world knows, I dont understand what drives you to suggest that his integrity will be compromised by something as basic as where he sleeps.
Some of us cannot be fooled by these alarmist and baseless pronunciations. Reasonable men and women will give Ocampo the benefit of time to prove what he is made of. And Kenyans are reasonable people. And they know that if they adopted the reasoning of the likes of Judy, there will never be a chance for any progress in anything, and the whole world will go berserk!!!
JK
My brother, cool down. Your fear is unfounded. Judy is expressing her opinion. Make contributions but not instructing moderator to silences others.
OCAMPO SLEPT AT Michuki’s hotel. Michuki is known to have issued a shoot to kill order in Nyanza. He is also the mastermind of extrajudicial killings of Mungiki suspects
Its really very simple, the Kikuyus are colonising the Rift Valley with the aid of this rigged government (and a fish eater who has been given the head of a mbuta to keep him busy) and the Catholic Church. IT IS A TRAVESTY that 18,000 families (the indegenous people) are being evicted whilst OVER SIX MILLION Kikuyus have deforested the Rift since 1950 (the Norwegians were even stupid enough to give their political champion Wangari Mathai the Peace Prize !!).
Ocampo is descended from the Spanish conquistadores who wiped out the indigenous native indian population of South America. History is repeating itself here, he is now on the side of the Kikuyu riggers in wiping out and cowing the indigenous people of the Mau. Of course in the long term these tactics of theirs will make Rwanda look like a picnic – remember these are a warrior people.
We also have a queer equation in which the Luo invaders from Sudan are now siding with election riggers (as in Kenyattas time) to colonise/invade the Rift Valley. They will also be given a severe beating like their Langi/Acholi brethren in Uganda for their part in this oppression in due course.
John,
So, just give your input in the discussion. It’s worthless (and waste of time) to try ask the moderator to gag some members.
With due respect, there is freedom of expression! I think it’s you ranting
Dr Chris Olola.