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— On Mon, 6/2/08, nmatunda wrote:
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From: Matunda Nyanchama
Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 8:01 AM
Subject: No Amnesty for killers – Kibaki
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From: nmatunda
Subject: Re: No Amnesty for killers – Kibaki …
Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 2:40 PM
Then Kibaki too must be answerable
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Migosi Matunda,
I hear you loud and clear. And I want to agree with you; let all face the law, or let all face amnesty.
What I am against is that the law is being applied in a selective manner, meant to punish one section of the society, while turning a blind eye to the other perpetrators of the same crimes.
The main thieves are giving orders on what is to be done, while at the same time talking Peace, National Healing and Reconciliation.
I can confirm to you that in the process of National Healing, we must not play double standards. We must be honest to each other. We must forgive each other. And we must forget the past.
Then we start from there; anyone who goes back and commits the same mistakes for which there has been National Pardon, must then face the full force of the law.
Only then will we talk Peace, National Healing and Reconciliation.
Odhiambo T Oketch
Komarock Nairobi
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Date:Â Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:59:56 -0700 (PDT)
From:Â odhiambo okecth
Subject: Re: No Amnesty for killers – Kibaki …
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Dear ALL
A lot has been said about the need for reconciliation and healing but this cannot be done in a vacuum and blatantly in selective manner the way PNU shadow boxing so called pugilists are now doing. What Hon Raila said in local dailies and vividly captured by the Standard is the truth and nothing else but the truth.
Yes While I agree that sanctity of life and property must be respected, what our brothers on the other side are trying to do is to sow seeds of discord so that nothing meaningful can be achieved. I have a feeling that they think they can go it alone. They damn dead wrong since they are suffering from a serious form of warthog syndrome.
I never knew that Kibaki cannot read properly the political mood in the Country. This hands off approach is not the best for our situation and trying to test political temperatures the way he did during the Madaraka day was absolutely out of tune with the stack reality on the ground. Let all those abetted directly or indirectly the stealing of elections be dealt with first followed by those who ordered the killings of innocent Kenyans agitating for their rights. As long as some people are protected, the agitation will continue. Who PNU apologists that 5 years is a long time!!!!!!!!!! I tell you that sooner or later, the so called hard cores will change tune when things are getting out of hand.
RABOND UGWE ICHAKOGA YIKO CHON
Wuon Oketch asiro weche mamit ma iwacho the oganda ewi wach maka poloni.
Mungla
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Date:Â Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:19:36 +0200
From:Â Richard Mungla
Subject:Â Â Re: No Amnesty for killers – Kibaki
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Matunda
Yes everyone must face the law but is that feasible in the current Kenyan situation
I say it is not for the following reasons
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1. Kibaki is the first greatest criminal in this case. He stole the election and inaugurated himself at night and hence the beginning of violence and yet he is the one who wants criminals prosecuted. Will he condemn himself to jail?
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2. Kibaki and Kalonzo are the people who gave orders to the Kivuitu and Kivuitu is on record stating he was under pressure to hand in the certificate before the problem of election was sorted out. Indeed they did this in disregard for the law. Can he condemn himself to jail?
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3. Kibaki, Karua, Michuki and Saitoti gave the “shoot to kill” order and people were shot as we watched on TV. Are we going to prosecute the police who shot the innocent or Kibaki who ordered the massacre.
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4. The same police is now investigating the cases. How can we let the criminals investigate the crime they committed. Do you think Kenyans are that stupid?
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Kibaki and his group are playing truent with themselves. In cases where the law is not applied fairly, people tend to take matters into their own hands. Trust me this is going to bring down the coalition and cause the start of a new violence. Intelligent men use their heads and not their thorax. They have to learn the environment and formulate a survival strategy. Kibaki and his men are failing in this case. However, there is a warning written all over this. If they break this again and chaos begin, they will not be able to make it. I think the coalition has done its part. A new election should be on the pipeline so that we have one government speakining with one voice and an opposition checking its excesses. This coalition is unworkable.
Dr. Barack Abonyo
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Date:Â Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:29:14 +0000
From:Â barack abonyo
Subject:Â Â RE: Re: No Amnesty for killers – Kibaki … Then Kibaki too must be answe
I am writing in response to the event that occurred in South African, a couple of weeks ago and relating it to tribalism in my homeland Kenya.
While the violence orchestrated against black immigrants in SA ought to be condemned for the wrong it is, we must start from home and remove the logs in our eyes by treating with equal measure the shocking but true segregation in Kenya!
Any right thinking person will be amazed how paradoxical an be when on the one hand, a close associate of the top political class throws out a fellow citizen out of a public hotel, a ululations were made by a some politicians: that’s “a private” matter and the president should be left out of it, they at that moment did not have the courage to condemn the vice! Yet the same group of politicians are now pressing for a quick resolution to the post election violence which plunged the country into a near endless pit and left many wallowing in a quagmire of homelessness! They are now quick to say “Kenyans” are supposed to live and stay wherever they feel like (which is true, only that they are saying it too late, and perhaps wouldn’t have said so if it were not directly impacting on them!) and going ahead to add that those who committed crimes which led to the IDPs must face “the full force of law” (this too, is selective)! While they are rightfully saying that “justice must be done”, (I have no problem with justice taking its course whatsoever) I am sincerely concerned when it precariously appears as if selective justice is to be administered to certain regions and people, which is inconsistent with the rule of law, as it were besides going contrary to the terms of truth and reconciliation and that is what raises eyebrows across the country.
Hopefully (big hope indeed), the same justice will be applied to the police who albeit through orders from “above”, horribly killed and harrased quite a number of Kenyans, the same justice will be applied to the ECK which (according to the chairman) was at the time of his own announcement of the results, unaware of the rightful winner of the Dec polls – yet is still in tact! The biggest question that ought to be addressed is, why such contradictions? Because Kenyans have allowed themselves to be taken for a ride, trained to fear the all powerful men at the top for so long such that they have put all their believe in people as opposed to institutions. Lies have been told loudly and unfortunately a large number of us have believed in them. Everything have been screwed up by such people so much so that it is no longer uncommon for state jobs to be dished out to one tribe then later we are told that it doesn’t matter who gets the job as long as s/he is a “Kenyan”! To them, there is no diversity in Kenya, no wonder questioning the criterion used and why only a certain tribe are the biggest beneficiaries of such jobs is not only rubbished as backward, but also branded tribal!
The most embarrassing fact is the selective and convenient application of such words as justice, rule of law, Kenyan, name it. Thats why there exist a saying coined by the very citizens of that great country: “Why hire a lawyer when I can buy the judge?”. Tribe plays a very big part in post independent Kenya, it may give you the right to claim lots of privileges the one hand, while on the other hand impose on you the grueling task of starting at a disadvantaged point in your quest for success. In my humble opinion, you may disagree but tribalism is the biggest moral defect that must be tackled with the seriousness it deserves, and not pretending that it doesn’t exist.
Of course the wheel of natural justice grinds slowly and it surely catches up with the offenders one way or another. Over to you!