Kenyans,
Kibaki has completely divided Kenyans. Kenyans who were united 44 years ago and fought for a common goal, our independence. We did achieve our goal then. The problem now is that Kenyans are so much divided that if an invasion does occur like the one IRAQ witnessed when G.W. Bush’s forces attacked, I am very much sure that there are a lot of Kenyans who will be ready to join the enemy forces to fight Kibaki`s government.
This old man has divided Kenyans more than any other leader Kenya had during our 44 years of independence. There is no way Kibaki will rule kenya any more. Even the speeches Ms. Rice has made are a very clear indication that Kibaki is going nowhere with all this stupid behaviour. PNU and Kibaki should do something concrete and sacrifice big if they want to lead,  otherwise they are going to lose big. Raila is not the president, he is not even the prime minister, neither is he a minister. In fact, the position Raila now has is just the MP of Langata who Kibaki rigged of votes . So if we do look at these two people Raila and Kibaki who has anything to lose if Kenya goes to the dogs of war? I do think Kibaki will be the big loser. Raila has nothing to lose now and there is no need for him to keep on backing down. ODM has done all what is possible to have peace in Kenya. Can somebody tell us in this forum what Kibaki has done to bring peace to Kenya? The only peace Kibaki brought was by ordering policemen and Mungiki to shoot to kill. The only peace Kibaki brought is by killing people through Mungiki and policemen, GSU and some  stupid Ugandan GSU.  Who does not know that most of Uganda’s things are transported through Kenya and anytime Kenyans disrupt the way, they start shrinking.
I hope Koffi Anna and G.W. Bush really know the person responsible for all this mess. When things go to the dogs of war, I do hope they catch Kibaki alive and take him to Netherlands where Milosovich rested until his burial day.  Kenya will be another glorious country after Kibaki’s death or retirement in Netherlands.
Paul Nyandoto
Edited for content by Jaluo Press.
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:29:56
Subject: The buck stops with Kibaki.
What I am saying here is not new. I have said it before and I will say it again:
The buck stops with Kibaki.
Keen Nyamwange
Posted on behalf of Keen by Jaluo Press.
We r ready for anything, and do not forget that Kibaki also have supporters, if our brothers were not killed mercilessly in the RV; maybe we would support Kibaki giving poer to Raila but since we know u want to finish Kikuyus only because e r blessed in business or whatever reason.We cannot allow this.Call US, UK and all these but we r mad of u.
ken
I read a couple of excerpts on this forum over the last few weeks. My thoughts are as follows.
1. Martha Karua is really the pawn (spoiler) in this whole melee. She is the youngest of the lot and the most vulnerable. IF her justice and constitutional affairs ministry was snubbed in the financing issues (aka welfare), she should have seen the writing on the wall. Sweetie, read between the lines. Enough hints have been coming your way and me thinks you threw the temper tantrum to pass the “heat” to the pilloris of power. You should have avidly listened to Dr. Rice. She was there to support YOU being a woman, qualified lawyer, and hopefully a voice of reason and a stabilizing factor in the “testosterone” dominated stage. Amka dada.
You are a pawn but you (probably) do not realize it. DO NOT THROW A TANTRUM TO DERAIL THE NEGOTIATION TALKS because over the last two months, the rest of the UNIVERSE has been asking people like us why what is going on in KENYA is going on. Whenever you jump on TV to face the “UNIVERSE” you do not look believable. That throws it back on us to try and defend you but whatever comes out of your “learned mouth” is not too convincing. IT STILL LEAVES US TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE SO BENT ON PRESERVING A SYSTEM THAT IS KILLING, RATHER THAN PROTECTING AND NURTURING, LIKE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. If you really need support and advice, there are a lot of people that are probably just as qualified, or even better qualified on those issues that are from Kenya and (long shot here) will probably give you “GOOD” advice “pro-bono” Build your own circle and do what is right for the people that cannot protect themselves. BE a people person. That way, may be we will REMEMBER who you are when you eventually run for PRESIDENT. Think ahead sister!
Mheshimiwa Kilonzo,
2. Mzee, Nimeangalia, picha zako nikafikiria pengine wewe ndie ulielimika (with a law degree) na kwa umri pia pengine maisha yamekuelimisha (school fees na kila kitu jamii yako hufika mlangoni mwako asubuhi kukuomba uwasaidie nayo) Mie pia mzee mwenzako kwa umri na ufanyi kazi (professionally). Nakuomba utembee kitaalamu. Nimekuangalia gazetini (Standard na Nation) unapobadilisha fikira zako mbele na nyuma ili kusihitisha ulivyoambiwa ufanye. Hapo nitakulaumu wewe na Martha Karua. Nyinyi ndie mliosoma, lakini sio nyinyi tu! Hufika wakati unaposema kwa kiingereza “enough is enough”. Ni nani ninayemtuikia, NCHI, MWANANCHI, walienipigia kura, ama MIE. That is a question for you to answer though and once YOU get an answer to that question, you act to your peril or your benefit.
3. I have also had the privilege of monitoring issues in the dailies (Standard and Nation) In my humble opinion, Danson Mungatana is another PNU pawn. Mr, Dr, or whatever the prefix is Mungatana, You appear to be the “foul cryer”. You are being dragged into this a little too late. Wakati wazee (Senior Citizens) walikua wanachoma mbuzi na kujitayarisha vile watafanya, ulikuepo?. Sasa walipokanyaga udongo (BS), wanakualika na kupatia nafasi ya kuwatiririsha. Amka kijana wetu. You should be smart enough, being a lawyer, to see the mountain racing towards you at 100 MPH.
Unatumikia waliekupigia kura ama unatumikia wanaojaribu kujiongeza mali zaidi wakati waliyekupigia kura hawana maji ya kunywa manyumbani kwao na pia pengine hawana chakula ama karo ya shule kulipia watoto wao.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THIS IN LIGHT OF THE EVENTS FROM THIS ELECTION? Wafikiria kweli utakapotaka kuwa raisi wetu nchi nzima itakutetea? Kijana, jifikirie mwenyewe ulivyoelimishwa. Ababu Namwamba is outdoing you both professionally and socially (as a people person). Does that tell you anything?
Samuel Onyango Oladimeji
To the editor,
if you think the content of my post is a little too harsh then by all means remove it. I think it is time for US to get involved and actually call it as it is. I challenge you to post the article as is because I am trying to reach down to the source of the problem by calling them out!
Amazing!
That Kenya is divided we all agree on. The part I fail to understand and would like your help is how Kibaki is to blame.
Btw, one thing Kibaki has done to bring peace to Kenya is to respect the rule of law. We may not like the things contained in the laws of the land (I’m a smoker so you know which piece of legislation I refer to) but I do obey it.
The law. And not just when a certain Mr. Kibor who happens to be a friend of ours is arrested should we remember that there is a law in place. Always.
Second thing Kibaki has done is to tell all Kenyans that they are free to leave wherever they want. Could someone in the Pentagon say the same or they don’t believe it?
Cheers.
Eric.
PS: Let’s try and remain objective. I do love an objective discussion!
So i’m guessing the ‘kalenjin warriors’ who burnt alive innocent kikuyu women and children were kibaki’s mercenaries?
Im also guessing that the luo youth who have turned kisumu into a deplorable state of what it once was are also kibaki’s henchmen?
And of course the miltias roaming freely in rift valley burning plantations, factories, houses and in the process decapitating people of the enemy tribe are kibaki’s goons?
I ask of you sir to stick your head out of raila’s ass for just one minute, just one minute, and analyze rationally and logically who the real perpetrators of this smogasbord of violence.
Thank you
Professionals, traders and politicians from central Kenya contribute money to protect their community in case of confrontation if Annan-led talks flop while elders secretly gather, arm and reinforce thousands of young warriors in remote parts of Rift Valley in preparation for war, NATION investigations reveal
http://www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=39&newsid=117758
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:54:19
Subject: Re: Kibaki has completely divided and spoiled Kenya
Paul, the situation we are in is not a creation of Kibaki alone. Raila and ODM has played a big apart to to it. I Have to say ODM lead a very divisive campaign which left half of Kenya very worried of what kind of leadership Raila and ODM were planning to bring. Now with the event of tribal clashes a lot of people now believe that this was leadership which was willing to reduce a certain community to size in order to gain power and to stay in power because the clashes seem to have been pre-planned.
Nkuraya
Posted on behalf of Nkuraya by Jaluo Press. Edited for content by Jaluo Press.
Nkuraya,
Please note that we posted your comment but edited it as we feel that the last sentence was uncorroborated and overgeneralizes. While what you say may be true of certain individuals, some of whom are currently standing trial, we have yet to see evidence from you or others that this judgment can be applied to a large group of people. Furthermore, we believe that police brutality contributed in large part to the violence in Nyanza and Rift Valley provinces. We continue to demand that Grace Kaindi and the members of her police force stand trial with all others who are accused of ethnic violence. As numerous media outlets reported (and not to discount the loss of Kikuyu lives), many, if not most, of those who were killed were not Kikuyus. Many Luos, for example, died at the hands of the police and at the hands of Mungiki and other Kikuyus.
PNU and ODM must both address the allegation that members of their ranks are alleged to have participated in the violence. Justice must be indiscriminate. Otherwise, it is not justice. It cannot apply only to ODM members, but must also be metted out to PNU members as well, beginning with the persons–Michuki and Kibaki–who ordered police to “shoot to kill.”
Regards,
Jaluo Press
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:18:48
Subject: Vs: Re: Kibaki has completely divided and spoiled Kenya
Charles,
Why are you the one seeing things very differently?. The international community plus the election observers has said that election was rigged. The ECK chairman said he does not know who won the election, Kalonzo also forced him to announce that Kibaki won. Despite all these we do have Kibaki being sworn in like a flash light, why can`t you just open your mind to see that things are not right with Kibaki. Do you want to say that ODM rigged all the 101 MPs and Kibaki the sitting president could only manage to rigg only 43 Mps, or what are you saying?. Kenyans do not want Kibaki neither do they want Kalonzo, read what is happening to ODM-kenya now, where is julia Ojiambo?. Over 90% of the dead people in Nyanza and Western provinces during post election violence are due to bullet wounds from the policemen or GSU, only less than 10% are from some crude weapons, this is a report from independent body, so did Raila order police to shoot all those people in Nyanza or Western province. Infact that just tells you that Kibaki expected Nyanza to be the main problem after rigging the election that is why he sent mungiki in police uniform to kill luos and luhjas. There was no Kikuyu killed in Kisumu how do you explain that?, and that is the Raila`s birth place. But you know what?, after kalenjins had problem with kikuyus the kikuyus burnt and killed luos in Naivasha and those pictures were shown all over the world including the white house and even in the European Union.
Kibaki should have waited until 72 hours passes after the ECK chairman anounced the winner before he is swon as president, that is what is written in the Present Kenyan constitution . Because within those 72 hours the opponent is given time to file to court complain incase he is not satisfied with the election results. For heavenly sake even Moi the dictator used to do that, there was no time in the last 24 years when Moi did the stupid thing Kibaki did in december 2007. And now they are telling UN, The USA even the EU that all changes should be done within Kenyan constitution while he Kibaki, Wako, Gichuru, Karua etc does not follow that constitution. Infact even G.W. Bush thinks that, Kibaki thinks that everybody is stupid except himself. That is why now Condeeleze Rice is telling him that they will make sure the Kenyan people get the type of leadership they want, can`t you get it or what is wrong with you charles?. How can you tell a sitting president that we will make sure that Kenyan people get the right leadership they deserve if things are okey with the president?. Why didn`t Bush say those words in Tanzania, or in Ruanda? or even in Uganda. I do think there are the die hard people for Kibaki and Charles you will be disappoited with that Kibaki, the man has made a lot of mount Kenya people very rich, but was stupid and left the rest of the country to suffer and this is seen in the jobless, poor people we do have around. CVs of other tribes jobs seekers are being chnanged or some burnt during job seeking in the last 5 years, things which even Moi never did what is wrong with you ?. Kibaki`s tribes men are the ones getting cheap loans to buy land everywhere in Kenya, no other tribes can buy land in Central province, they just claim the land is not there, while land is sold there everyday. Now even the displaced Kikuyus might be sent to ukambani why can`t you open your mind?. Soon you will see when the Kambas start killing them is when you will know that things are not right with Kibaki and Kalonzo.
Paul Nyandoto
Posted on behalf of Paul by Jaluo Press.
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:12:53
Subject: Re: Vs: Re: Kibaki has completely divided and spoiled Kenya
Paul, you are right this election was controversial and both parties rigged the election. But remember Kenya is a presidential system of government where some people could have voted for a ODM MP but a PNU president and vice versa. So, we cannot say for sure that the parliamentary election was a direct reflection of the presidential election. Only in parliamentary system of government that is true.
Having said that it is also true most of the death occurred in Rift Valley where people of Kikuyu ethnic background were either burnt alive, slashed to death or shot to death with poisoned arrows. The execution of hundreds of people in a day or two make people believe this was pre-planned with the knowledge of ODM leaders. This act alone has made people in Kibaki government suspicious of what ODM want to do with power.
What happened in Naivasha too was very unfortunate situation where resident overreacted with anger and retaliated for what happened in the Rift Valley.
Paul, I have to disagree with you about Moi. Moi never won an election since 1992 and he never waited for 72 hours. Most of these problems were created by Moi. Hurried swearing ins and tribal clashes.
Charles Nkuraya
Posted on behalf of Charles by Jaluo Press.
To Paul Nyandoto:
its very evident that your words come from a place of pure misunderstanding. Especially with the role played by Countries such as the United States of America when trying to exercise their own might on soveriegn states in order to expand their own influence. Look at Iraq. As a Kenyan you should question why Ms Rice talked the way she did. Why she (at the time) seemed to attack one side (the PNU side) despite a New York based Human Rights Organisation stating the OPPOSITION (as in ODM) planned the ethnic attacks and during the peace talks was planning some more.
Yes it is very very unfortunate that the elections that at the time were peaceful came to be what they were. But one fact remains BOTH parties rigged. We can not tell who rigged more. One side purposely staged, planned and carried out ethnic violence that led to a chain of events that brought about revenge attacks from the government side and the ethnic sides initially attacked. But Kibaki is not to blame for all of this. ODM played a huge role. And please for crying out loud when you are talking about a won election for the hundreth time, the people chose…but they did NOT all vote for change. I didnt I know abou 20 people in my circle who didnt. So get this out of your head, a good number of kenyans did not want change….go back to the polls..the two parties were neck to neck…that DOES NOT constitute as a landslide.
I will end this with a quote from the bbc during the height of the violence in kenya. They asked Raila why he would not tell the people who were taking part in it to stop, this was his reply:
“I can not tell people to stop doing something I didnt tell them to do”
And that is the man you wanted to lead our country.
People listen to your conscience!!