JOTHURWA,
 I do know that psychological testing is not for amateurs, but I will have to go a head and ask you this question: WHO STANDS TO GAIN ON THE UNDERDEVELOPMENT OF LUO NYANZA?.

We do have a very good forum now a lot of educated personalities, luos at home in Kenya and in the diaspora. Any luo living in  NORDIC COUNTRIES or So called Scandinavia , like me, Mbare, Onyango, Patrick, William etc. I hope you know very well a country called ICELAND, this country is inhabited by just only about 500 000 (five thousand only) people, this is almost the population of only Kisumu but you will agree with me that ICELANDER`S economy is no match to any African country at the moment despite that small number of people.

Going back to my question I asked, I know most of our luos will say that the Kikuyus during Kenyatta and Kibaki rule and also the kalenjins during Moi etc. Since we luos have been championing political and economical change in Kenya etc. Another school of thought might come out by saying that the Indians  or Kikuyu Business men in Kisumu, rongo, migori or Homabay stand to gain on the poor economy in Nyanza. But `Jothurwa`Indians, Kikuyus are business men and they sell things, so how do they gain on our poor economic situation if they can not find customers to buy their goods?. These people do stand to gain a lot if Nynaza is having purchasing power and is having  alot of middle class and even higher class population. So this second theory does not add up.

Perhaps the first theory of Kikuyus, Kalenjins, Luhjas etc will gain if Luo Nyanza is not economically empowered has some salt in it. BUT WHO ELSE GAINS IF LUO NYANZA IS UNDERDEVELOPED, OR DO HAVE LESS COMPETITIVE PEOPLE?.

I will give you some ideas to use in this psychological testing: We all know who Dalmas Otieno is, infact I hear he has now brought apart of Moi University to Rongo, that is a good thing, but my question is this: Is he not the same Dalmas Otieno Luos rejected some years ago?, or he has changed now?. And why did luos rejected him some years ago?.

Another personality is Orengo the present lands minister: Is he not the same Orengo luos rejected some years ago?. Why do we embrace Orengo today?. What have luos gained when Orengo disclosed the Grand Regency Hotel scandle?. How has Nyanza people gained from that discovery?,, I hear people now saying `KUDOS`to James Orengo the former reject is now a hero in luoland, is it not paradoxical?.

We Have Raphael Tuju, the man who brought the first mobile dispensary in luoland, Tuju has taken brilliant luos abroad for further education, infact development wise Raphael Tuju did what we luos expect from our Mps and if our present Mps can do what Raphael Tuju did in every constituency we luos would be living much better than we live today. BUT WHERE IS RAPHAEL TUJU TODAY?. Tuju is now a reject, perhaps in some years to come he will again become a hero just like Orengo or Dalmas Otieno today isn`t that another paradox in our lives we luos?:

Finally I will say this luos : please let us answer this question I have placed forward honestly, failure to answer will just tell us what type of people we think we are, rather than what actually who we are. We might be in a very deep denial pschcologicaly, thinking that we the luos are the only tribe championing for democracy in Kenya while we ourselves are not democartic at all and we do not know what that word democracy mean .  Look at Kikuyus, how they give their tribesmen jobs, education, scholarships etc. A kikuyu will give his tribes man a job whether you have PhD or not. They look other tribes as their competitors but their fellow tribes man as a friend NOT an ENEMY. We luos we do just  the OPPOSITE, and the more a luo is in higher position the worse he is.
I do expect to read from, Mbare, Onyango, William, barack, Odhiambo George, Tobias, Jairus, Judy, Patrick, infact all in this forum please give your ideas after that the next topic will be: ECONOMIC & POLITICAL EMPOWERMENT IN LUO NYANZA.

Paul Nyandoto

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Date:  Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:24:01 +0300
From:  Paul Nyandoto
Subject:   Hypothetical QUESTION to LUOS ????

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Nyikwa Ramogi.

First of all, kaponi nitiere atwara moro manie mailing list ni to okire oko nikech weche ma wawacho ka gin issues mo concern wa wan jokanyanam. Aneno ka jowa moko prefer ndiko gi dho jomoko.

Anyway. First of all I’ve struggled to get the message in Dr. Nyandoto’s e-mail but if I may try (or just attempt) to answer the question posed, I don’t think anyone would benefit in anyway from poverty or underdevelopment in any region. It is a wrong perception that some of our unwise leaders perpetuate thinking that when some members of the society are economically subdued, they’ll toe the line and obey the commands of the elites. Well, that’s very silly, for socio-economic disparities are known to cause social tensions which eventually result in very chaotic if not violent situations. All of us know (or should know) that any system that promotes disparity in a society either through programmes or processes designed to promote some while others are inhibited from developing or progessing is unsustainable and a sure recipe for disaster. Tell me of any country where such a system has ever succeeded. Most of you guys live in the Scandinavian countries…which have succeeded in reducing socio-economic disparity among their people, and that’s why these are some of the most prosperous and peaceful countries. Take a case of South Africa where majority of the blacks are still struggling to make ends meet and realise that the glaring socio-economic disparity caused by the apartheid system resulted in creating a whole lot of very demoralised, dejected, hopeless, violent, chaotic and unreasonable people. That coupled with the fact that majority of these people thought that with ‘one of their own’ taking over the leadership of the country, they too would enjoy the priviledges the white counterparts ejoyed during apartheid-and here the understanding of majority of these blacks, I believe, assumed that having one of their own leading the coutry would mean that they get freebies without having to sweat.

I also believe that the terrible violence that we witnessed in our country early this year after the electoral fiasco was because majority of the disempowered members of the Kenyan society, whose only hope of change in the status quo in which members of certain communities were discriminated against in national resources allocations, appointments to government jobs etc, was having democratic elections in which the best man or woman who would restore order and civility, wins, so that the new government would change things and make Kenya a competive country where merit counts and hard work is rewarded. When such hopes were dashed and realising they had no options of changing things, frustrations bubbled up an the result was what you all watched on the screen (if you were not in Kenya) or witnessed (if you were in Kenya then).

What’s my point? My point is, we, together with our leaders should always strive to narrow the gap between the filthy rich and extremely poor in our societies, through appropriate measures such as creating a competitive, enabling environment where each member of the society has an equal chance of succeeding without being discriminated against when appointments are made or scholarships awarded. That way, I believe, we’d create a creative, hard working and focused populace and not a bunch of desperate hooligans who will always hang on the politicians coats singing ‘songs of praises’ and loud enough to be noticed so that they can get some handouts! I guess that some of our politicians (you call them leaders?) would prefer that the status quo remains so that they’ll always have these ‘hang-ons’ trying desperately to catch their attention because to some of them, this is the only way in which they’ll  realise they are ‘important’ since they have nothing else other than the hefty, unwarranted, salaries they get, to boost their egos!

We Kenyans need to re-structure things so that we can have a competitive  society where hard work and honesty pays and not a situation in which you can only progress if you are ‘known to so and so’ , or from this or that tribe (and remember, the so-and-so may be some confused idiot who can’t even count his fingers properly or even spell his name correctly-Sh*t!). It begins with the quality of leadership we have and that means we (the electorate) must decide on what kind of people we elect to represent our interests in parliement. We can’t expect things to change when we elect only those who give us handouts, or who promote division in our society or those who are clearly known to be dishonest because it is such leaders who will go to parliement and start messing up with government policies, mess up with the judicial system, corrupt their ways to contracts and hence promote a confused, chaotic system such as what we have currently. Such systems only ensure that the cream of our society who can’t accept to operate within such silly systems leave for other countries and that doesn’t help our spciety because the skills that they posses are only used to build other people’s economies.

IN NYANZA, ALL OUR PEOPLE NEED IS AN ENABLING ENVIRONMENT-NOT ANY KIND OF HANDOUTS. WE NEED GOOD INFRUSTRUCTURE-GOOD ROADS, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, CREDIT FACILITIES. SO, OUR LEADERS SHOULD STRIVE TO EMPOWER OUR PEOPLE BY ENSURING THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES WHAT IT SHOULD-PROVIDE SUCH ENABLING ENVIRONMENT. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WILL ATTRACT INVESTMENT TO NYANZA AND OPEN UP THE PLACE-PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES TO OUR PEOPLE. WE DON’T NEED TO HAVE LUOS CROUDING IN KIBERA WHEN WE CAN AS WELL HAVE THESE ABLE BODIED YOUNG MEN BUILD NYANZA.

That’s my contribution for now.

Erouru kamano nyikwa Ramogi Ajwang’.
Odhiambo George

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Date:  Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:19:30 +0400
From:  George Odhiambo
Subject:   Re: Hypothetical QUESTION to LUOS ????

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Folks,
 
My comment to your questions some of which are already replied in my previous emails and will therefore not repeat myself but will make a few comments on the named leaders such of Dalmas, Orengo and Tuju – and having been an inside player in politics and socio/economic participant myself during the Jaramogi Oginga Odinga’s maltipartism in Kenya and the Original Ford time, I know enough and I am experienced to be able to defend my argument that these named personalies are Veteran level headed, capable and sound minded politicians.  They may have been rejected according to your onlook and statement, but because of influx euphoria of demand for power by the Luo Nyanza and the wind of change that engulf and swept the state of mind of many at that time to vote otherwise does not mean that they are not capable, knowledgeable or practical in achieving economic excellence to our Luo Nyanza.  They are mainstream reknown veteran politicians who have not had the opportunity to effectively deliver in large scale, but are notable in their own  way under constraint circumstances and in small pockets here and there benefited many from their leadership.  When you bring Orengo, Dalmas and Tujus names on board it reminds me of Angawa, Argwengs Kodhek, Mboya,   Ouko and Mbai e.g. whose participation in General to Public Service incase they would be alive today, would not have been appreciated or would have faced criticism by your onslaught.  Consequently, leaders are not made, leaders are born.  They have been beaten, but have stood up and weathered the storm for their lives sake and for those of their loved ones. ‘Kudos’ to their smart move. Thanks to God they are alive. Today they exist to be a part of that formidable Luo Nyanza team of a group of Luo leadership pooling together with Raila, a strong cord that eventually connects all Luos irrespective of their affiliation, tribal groups, think tanks, resource personnel, with the economic business community to a Forum where together  we can solicit for investors in cross-board for Nyanza, and face this heavy political giant for CHANGE to be delivered to Kenyans as a whole.
 
In short, we in Luo Nyanza today have a marshal troop of qualified experienced political leadership on board to bring the desired change of economic empowerment to Luo Nyanza.  All they need is the good will and support we are canvassing presently.  We must hold their back.  Telo ok ringi, those who want telo let them work for it and eventually they will get it sani like I said before, pii oduore, let us use the ones we have in hand, support and direct their way of thinking towards achievements.  We have the best, luth man e lweti ema igoyogo thuol.  Kapod idigni to thuol biro kayi.
 
We are at war and we must win.  I will not engage in divisive politics but that which gero and I will stand firm on it.
 
Jowa man oko are a force by itself.  Over the years ne waonge gi ji oko, ema omiyo jorabuon ochayowa.  Mboya ka Ndiege nene oneno mabor ema omiyo ne odich ogolo ji oko. Kodhi ma jowa nopindho oko sani waneno berne.  Nga kendo kaka wuod jaluo jothurwa.  Remb jaluo pek, koth jaluo otegno yuko piny mangima.  We uru nindo, we uru holruok.  Yaw uru wangeu ma iye kata umadho kongo kamano to kik umer pachu lal. Ket uru itu oko. Bed uru ale gi rieko.  We uru sadha.  Jatelo ma okoso to warieyo to wadhi nyime.  Kata an be anyalo koso ok an perfect an dhano.
 
Ngato nyalo telo kamora mora okochuno ni nyaka obed President or Member of Parliament or a Chief in the village.  Kam wanntie oko ni waromo konyo jowa dala.  Jogo makedo gi dwaro telo kata tije dala e sechegi timone oganda marach.  Ka usedhi dala kono kae to odin nu ere kaka ubiro konyore.  Wagouru lwenj submarine, in the sky kod yamo.  Aherou jothurwa mar adier to kik uwuog oko mar paro matut.  Jorabuon odonjo eiwa wuondowa gi shilling manono to koni to gichamowa gidonjo nyaka thuchewa gi loso ohalo gi tero oko giyudo dola.  You dont need consumers in Kisumu to benefit Business advancement and promotion. Nyanza is rich in everything beginning from Natural Resources to manpower to industrical aspects to technology.  Paruru ni ere kaka wanyalo loso power force oko koni.
 
Hey!!! kik umi alos ahinya wakya jok mane iwa.
 
Oriti uru.
 
Judy Miriga
USA

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Date:  Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:34:10 -0700 (PDT)
From:  Judy Miriga
Subject:   Re: Hypothetical QUESTION to LUOS ????