On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Thaddeus Kamundi wrote:

I have been silently reading this exchange but now it is getting into me and my Meru blood is boiling.

It is insulting to say that Merus and Kikuyus are the same! Is it true to say Onyango and Otieno are the same?

Nicholas’ assertion that the Merus controlled power during the first years of Kibaki’s rule denotes hate bias and malice for no apparent reason.

Nicholas of the people you have mentioned, who took that power illegally, all they did was to exercise the powers bestowed on them by either the law of the land or the constitution. What is wrong with Mount Kenya region being DP? The Luo of Nyanza is KPC, NDP, LDP, KANU or ODM.

I have no apologies to make about being from the region, the stupid situation that the whole country is in is because of EACH and every one of us who has a vote, you vote with your mouth and stomach and later when hungry you complain! SHAME ON YOU!

Please note that Murungi, Mwiraria et al were popularly elected and rightfully deserved the positions they had.

I have seen here that Luo MPs are useless (bure kabisa) would you imagine them having the power? (hahahahah…..)

Please stop the Mount Kenya phobia!

TMK

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— On Wed, 11/26/08, George Odhiambo wrote:
From: George Odhiambo
Subject: Re: Elijah From Califonia USA Hey kenyans open your eyes
To: bidiiafrika@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 8:13 AM

I agree with you that we should exercise caution and show respect for our leaders but again you mess up your argument when you start calling some leaders useless and even emphasise that in Swahili bure kabisa. I think that’s really dumb and disrespectful. Alof of the Luo leaders have made tremendous contributions and lumping them up and declaring them ‘bure kabisa’ is really insulting to their electorate.

If we Kenyans want to live in peace with each other, we must respect each other and MOST IMPOSTANT, share the resources God blessed us with equally. Or else, those idiots who think they have more stake on Kenyan resources than others will have their own greed and stupidity to blame when people react violently.

Greedy idiots must realise that we are all equal and contribute equally in building Kenya. Those who thought concentrating resources and facilities-infrustructure in some regions and leaving out others will soon realise gone are the days when Kenyans would sit and watch greedy thieves gobbled our resources at the exclusion of everyone else. NOT ANY MORE.

I’m a Luo and doesn’t have any phobia for any human being created by God in His own image, but I don’t like greedy, arrogant foolish thieves who think less of others. I’m in a country where nearly every employee at the Kenyan embassy is from one particular tribe..how pathetically greedy can people get?

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:34:25 -0800
From: orinaonka@yahoo.com
Subject: The myth of ethnic and regional interests- Kamundi, Odhiambo
To: bidiiafrika@googlegroups.com

Are there Luo or Kisii or Taita needs that Merus or any other Kenyan does not have as needs? Are there uniquely Meru or Kikuyu or Borana interests? Are there uniquely Kamba ethnic or regional interests that are not Kenyan interests? The answer is there are no such unique interests.

We are one. Our fate is one. Kenya’s success can only be the success of all of us. Even the whole world will come to discover that we are one and it does not benefit one race, nation or ethnic community to try and destroy or inhibit the success of another because we are one.

the idea that I am success because the other one failed is cynical but a lie in the end. What do you mean by success? You can not marginalise a certain community and fail to pay the price of the resentment?

So for me The display of functional illiteracy as regards states, nations, ethnic communities, class and groups’ interests in Kenya remains so staggering you are given to doubting the education people are getting in Kenya.

Seriously there are no ethnic interests.. But there are Kenyan interests generally but also social class interests in particular in every society of the world.

That is why we are complaining about the class act of MPs to refuse to pay tax because it hurts the Kenyan interest as a nation.

Idiots are those people who keep doing the same thing or make the same arguments, wrong as they may be, and keep getting the same awry results time after time AND then make the same argument all over again; this time around hoping to get a DIFFERENT result. The internet does not seem to be changing the DNA of the Kenyan citizen. And it will never change. Change comes when you begin to doubt even that which you have believed to be right for so long.

Odhiambo. Kamundi. Please doubt your statements. They are flawed and faulty

Cyprian Orina-Nyamwamu.

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Bw. Orina, here we part ways in as far as you think there are no unique needs to the respective tribes, (er…regions?) you mention.

Indeed there are. The Akamba people need water (irrigatiion) more than anything else. The Abagusii need more land and a market for their bananas. The Luo need a market for their fish and making lake V water portable. The Turkanas need more schools, accessible health facilities,tha Maasai need to trade-in their livestock for education, food, etc. Each region has needs unique to itself.

During the early days of Moi’s presidency, this anomaly was well-appreciated. The District Focus for Rural Development was meant to address this but was abused by the many economic sabboteurs during infancy.

What we must question is: why did some areas advance (economically, educationally) than others within the same country with same economic economic plans for the whole country. I think therein lies the biggest impact of tribalism, nepotism, corruption and all the other evils asoociated with my tribe against yours. That’s the genesis of the distrust and hate now apparent between Kenya’ diverse tribes. Nothing wrong with the tribe but everything wrong with our tribalistic leaders.

Mathias Bw’Aguta.

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:08:14 +0000 [03:08:14 AM CST]
From: mathias aguta
Subject: RE: The myth of ethnic and regional interests- Kamundi, Odhiambo