Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:15:59 -0800 [01/29/2009 10:15:59 AM CST]
From: arinolah elizabeth-nite
Subject: Re: The only thing that will end tribalism – Kenya to be tribeless by2060- believe!!!!Plan of action!!!

Please dont take this offensively..

I want to propose Sungu as the President this moment and Noah as the Vice President. You have to rule this given kingdom, how well do you think you shall be able to rule? Which policy or ideology will you use??

Whatever your answer may be. For now it is not feasible i have said it before and i do it yet again, we have been socialized as leaves, trees e.t.c. Socialization is our worst enemy because it is the most difficult to uproot. Attitudes and behavior implicitly become the greatest challenge to deal with. I may want to request those sisters and brothers working with communities who have lived closer to nature for years; how resistant we human beings become to change. Especially in attitude and thus behavior.

When people in a demarketed area beleive that piling faeces is only for the wild cats, how can we convince them of hygiene through construction of pit latrines??? construct because the resources are available but they will not use them…

Yes this issue of tribalism depends on how we socialize the next generation(s). Otherwise we can start by changing our attitude to control but eradicating i cant see it happening atleast after Jesus comes back!!

Lady

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:23:36 -0800 [01/29/2009 08:23:36 AM CST]
From: otieno sungu
Subject: Re: Kenya to be tribeless by2060- believe!!!!Plan of action!!!

said this is a beggining my friend, if our names are the problem, change them!! Secondly, and it is good we are now talking in a better way and trying to find solutions. Now these attitudes have been there since…and we have said ever…” we need to change our attitudes”.

So, what is the plan of action for changing attitudes? Saying so does not change anything…we have said so for the last 45 years and trust me even 100 years from now we shall still be saying so and clobber each other when electing tribal leaders masquarading as National leaders.

Brother Jacob, how can we change attitudes? Let us not just say it, but do it….how brother? I wish I knew!!!

Mountain Valley.

— On Thu, 1/29/09, Jacob Okal wrote:

From: Jacob Okal
Subject: Re: Kenya to be tribeless by2060- believe!!!!Plan of action!!!
Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 7:02 AM

According to me tribe is not a factor here, but atittude. Somalia has only one tribe while Rwanda has two but look at what’s happening there, we can eliminate the tribe but still fight each other based clan or family like the somalis. We should be proud of our tribes but should not use it to dispise others. If we cant accommodate each other as kenyans, what will happen if we get East africa as a political block or if the United States of africa dream become a reality.

gents and ladies, THINK GLOBAL BUT ACT LOCAL.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:42 PM, otieno sungu wrote:

Brother Aggrey,

I am giving very realistic timelines, not the visionless vision 2030s etc. You see, I am banking on the fact that by then, all ogres…sorry, those over 50 shall have become past tense, we will be the oldies and our children will be the generation X that I mentioned, no tribal names, tribal languages, tribal stereotypes and connotations attached to them.

If we say 2012, do you think we will be realistic? Wait till 2012 to see my logic…they we will still be looking at the sir name of the person we are voting.

This is like planting a tree, you may not eat the fruits yourself buy your children will. So brother Aggrey, do you not plant a tree now because it will bear fruit in 40 years and that is very far??

Mountain Valley
Juba.

— On Thu, 1/29/09, aggrey kamba wrote:

From: aggrey kamba
Subject: Re: Kenya to be tribeless by2060- believe!!!!Plan of action!!!
Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 6:01 AM

Dear otiono sungu

I agree with u about tribless kenya.but 2006 is very far.First of all we need to remove the tribal kings whole do corruption and hide in thier tribes. The whole idea should be carried out down up but not expect the leaders to kill the monster.

By the way where is the civil society now adays.

AGGREY

— On Thu, 1/29/09, otieno sungu wrote:

From: otieno sungu
Subject: Kenya to be tribeless by2060- believe!!!!Plan of action!!!
Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 5:14 AM
Dear members,

I am proposing a tribeless Kenya by the year 2060.

This is my idea of a tribeless nation by 2060.Read very carefully because you, yes you are guilty as I am, very!!!!!!

If you are in the age bracket of 1-40 ( yes…. leave the wazes out of this for they have caused so much harm with this tribe thing…no hard feelings to all you non-tribal over 50s in the forum!!!!!)

Yeah, I was saying, to achieve a tribeless generation by 2060, fast do not name your son Onyango, Kiilu, Ngunjiri or Wetangula. Don’t even name your daughter Gatwiri, Nafula or Awiti.

Yes, start by removing all the tribal names by which we identify each other. Name your son Romeo Mark, John Brown, R Kelly or something….just don’t go anywhere near Kalembe aaahh aahhh, don’t go there, don’t even think of it!!!!!

Good, now, stop that language you speak the moment a stranger introduces himself and immediately you lock all around you and the whole world with ” mondo, omera, mukhwasi and all that crap…ahh…ahhh. This must stop…If I were president….heh!!!!

I am serious people, this is all the tribalism that we propagate at the office when we are giving out tenders, looking at applications for jobs etc.

Now, the next generation, the one I shall call Generation X, they will have names such as John Brown Alicia Holmes and don’t know a sh$%t what ” mondo wa nyumba ” or ” ja dhot means” . They will look at you like you have come from the moon when you start that “mukhwasi” talk around them, you will feel out of place, backward and a real tribalist.

Now, this is a tall order but if we really want to bequeath the next generation something and kill tribalism, we must wipe out these tribes, They have been around for eaons but have almost made us kill each other!!

Actually I stand guilty of belonging to a tribe!! For this reason my children from shall be condemned henceforth to speaking only Kiswahili and the Queens English as my effort in fighting tribalism.( very harsh considering they do not have a choice here…but so be it if this monster has to be slain!!! )

Action, you ask? I have begun. One is called Romeo. I am comtemplating a suitable second name to replace the tribal one that I do not wish to mention here for it is a source of pain. (It clouds my thought of finding a suitable replacement name yet it is so beholden to me soo much I feel I will loose something if I drop it!!!!!)

Now, in the house, in order to encourage good linguistic skills (which after all are tested in exams) there shall only be two languages allowed….( and I control that jurisdiction so everything and anything I say goes!!) English or Kiswahili…not sheng…ahh…ahh..( that thing keeps changing every 2 minutes so I may not cope and later be held accountable for not living up to my promises).

I am still thinking of more way to deal with this thing…once and for all…..and stop looking at me like you do not have a part to play here….think!!! I don’t have to do the thinking for both of us and yet I told you at the beggining you too are guilty!! Hele?

I will be back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have to earn a living too you know!!!!!!!

Sungu.
Juba.