Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 05:56:25 +0000 [02/04/2009 11:56:25 PM CST]
From: agnes ouma
Subject: Re: SACK JUSTICE AARON RINGERA OF KACC

Shame, shame .. what a pity. Ringera’s office is in existence just to assure foreign investors that we are dealing with corruption issues, yet corruption is on the increase since he came into office! His salary can go a long in feeding many Kenyans who are dying due to drought!

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:44:22 +0300 [02/04/2009 11:44:22 PM CST]
From: Omondi Amos K’Ogal
Subject: Re: SACK JUSTICE AARON RINGERA OF KACC

This is a major corruption that needs to be investigated. So he need to step aside to allow for investigation. This was purely the work of Kiraitu who wanted to reward his friend.

Ringeera MUST step down NOW. He has served his masters well and KENYA must move on without him.

Omondi Amos K’Ogal
Tel: 0720801165

On 2/5/09, Kennedy Oduor wrote:

First read Justice Aaron Ringera’s Contract as KACC Director:
Basic Salary: Kshs.1.2million
House allowance: Kshs.200, 000
Responsibility Allowance: Kshs.200, 000
Transport: Kshs.120, 000
Extraneous allowance: Kshs.130, 000
Domestic staff: Kshs.75, 000
Utilities: Kshs.75, 000
Total Gross Salary: Kshs.2.5 Million per Month.
Total Gross salary per year: Kshs.30 Million.

Mr. Ringera is also offered two armed bodyguards and round the clock security at his residence for the duration of the contract and for a further 10 years after the expiry of his contract.

He is also entitled to an education allowance for up to four children under the age of 25 in any local institution, a fully paid in-patient and out patient medical treatment or an insurance cover for the same for himself and family and up to four children under the age of 25.

Two armed bodyguards to always accompany him, personal accident insurance cover pegged at 2.5 per cent of a year’s basic salary, full membership to two clubs of his choice and two mobile phones

HAS JUSTICE RINGERA DONE ANYTHING ON CORRUPTION SINCE HE WAS APPOINTED TO DESERVE THE ABOVE? The KENYA WE want is not the Kenya of AMOS WAKO AND AARON RINGERA….

— On *Wed, 4/2/09, Mohamed Jiwa * wrote:

From: Mohamed Jiwa
Subject: Re: KENYATTA THE ROOT CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEMS
Date: Wednesday, 4 February, 2009, 1:12 PM

If I might add a few words to this, please:

The root cause of the problem was the kind of person(s) the British wanted to rule Kenya on their behalf. Perhaps these rulers were their clients or they were the clients of our rulers…. No, if we believe that we have power over people with British or American passports then, of course, we are simply deluding ourselves.

What is it that blocks and blinkers us Kenyans into thinking that we have power over our own destiny insulated from the rest of the world? I wish we would wake up.

were supposed to benefit from the independence they fought for. If we look at the leaders we have today, they are there courtesy of the ill gotten wealth, and they will do anything to cling to power just to protect their wealth, that is what happened last year, otherwise, how do we explain a situation where a leader (he was sworn in under darkness) who has been rejected by the people clings to power even when people were losing their lives? And property destroyed?

Perhaps the most serious injustice that the Kenyatta regime committed against Kenyans were the curtailment of civil liberties, the people were not free to speak against atrocities the government was committing, that explains why many of the political assassinations took place during his time.

The first step in solving our problems today therefore is by appreciating that we have problems and then we look for solutions. So we must admit mistakes were made and there is a problem and by taking that step, the problem is as good as solved. Again we should not forget our past, because we must reflect on our past to be able to build the future. We must look back and use our past to correct where we failed and at the same time we must look back and use our past to make it even better where we succeeded. Those who advocate the idea of forgetting our past will not solve the problems we face today because the injustices visited on the people will always come back to haunt us just as we witnessed last year. We must appreciate the fact that there are wounds, so we must look for the antidote to heal the wounds once and for all, because a wound will remain a wound anyway until it is healed up completely that is the time it will become a scar, and by then it will be in the history books to be used by our future generations as a warning not to engage in injustices.

Otherwise leaving a wound closed will not heal by itself, it will eat the body underneath until it will be opened up (Kibaki did it last year through rigging) one time or another and it will be fatal.

My stand is that solutions *MUST BE FOUND TODAY AND NOT TOMORROW. *We should not postpone a problem while we have time and resources to solve it. Today is the time to be honest to each other, sit down and find solutions to these problems. It is better we open up the wounds by speaking out on the injustices done without fear and seek to heal them without necessarily going through what we have witnessed and that will actually deter it from occurring again in future. I know many will come out to accuse me of being a tribalist, but I also know many more will reason with me. For example, it is a fact that the kikuyu community are to be found all over Kenya courtesy of the Kenyatta government. I am well travelled in Kenya, and I will give a few examples I know where the Kikuyu community were settled by Kenyatta government, Hindi settlement scheme, Mpeketoni settlement scheme and Lake Kenyatta settlement scheme all in coast province. Many more settlements were set up in Rift valley I beg not to name these because I may be biased (I am from Rift valley), I will expect therefore members of the Kikuyu community who are participants in this forum to be honest and agree with me that this was not right given that other people were also in these areas, and that even if the constitution allows us to own property anywhere in the country, it should not be seen to favour one community only, it should be across the board (it is nearly impossible for members of other communities to own property in central province). Some may argue that these people bought land in the areas I have just named, that may be the position, but you must agree with me that the government created the right environment for the Kikuyu community to do so through loans and awareness much to the disadvantage of other communities. I for one will admit that Moi continued with tribalism but at the same time I want to add that it never benefited the Kalenjin community as a whole just as the case with Kenyatta and Kikuyu community.

What do you think?

Cheptumo.

2009/2/4 Kennedy Oduor

Harun we have heard this argument before but it really doesnt wash. That Kenyatta regime only benefitted clicks around him. This is a flat lie. Read Book Harun and economic analyese that have been done in Kenya. During Kenyatta’s time, national resources were channelled into Central Province without fear neither shame. Loans were given to many Kikuyus..scholarships went to Central Province..Government tenders were given to people from Central Province..Land in Riftvalley was appropriated to Kenyatta cronies and supporters. ALl the above group is not just a click Harun. The development disparities between Central and other regions is not just an accident. It was deliberately engineered by Jomo Kenyatta and now Mwai Kibaki. Read Barkan and Chege and also Ikiara and Tostensen books Harun..evidence and facts are FOUND in those books not just street and village rumours.

Even today there are people who peddle the lie that Kibaki is a VERY GOOD man-the only bad people are people surrounding him. Another fat lie that is used to clog peoples eyes as tribalism goes on in the country. Kenyans are MUCH wiser and brighter than such lies Harun. We know and we know very well that tribalists used such arguments…Oh it aint us..its a click benefitting but they continue voting for the same President that they are accusing of helping a click of people. If Central Province people arent benfiting from Kibaki’s government just like other regions..why do you think they voted him 99.99 percent in 2007?.. why Harun?..Kenyans will not such lies masked as Truth…

Ultimately who keep these clicks in power HARUN? Its the people who continuously vote for them while complaining like you are doing that only a click benefits. When all important parastatals are headed by Kikuyus-they too are likely to employ Kikuyus disproportionately–don’t you see the connection?..they too will award tenders to kikuyus disproportionately..Don’t you see the connection Brother?? There were just a few non kikuyus who benefitted from Kenyatta’s government and mark you they sang like parrots..they were real sycophants who watched as their people were impoverished..even during Moi’s time..Dont you know that Drought and Hunger were killing Kambas while Kamba leaders were insisting that there was no drought?? to please Moi..they had to pay a price with their people to selfishly amass wealth but they were few brother.

Harun truth really hurts but at the end of the day it will help us move out of this impasse in Kenya. Change of leadership should not be seen as a DO or DIE situation. We watched as Ghana changed its leadership..It was a shame to Kenya and to Kenyans..We watched as Mbeki stepped down before his term limit..It was a shame to Kenya and Kenyans..Whats really wrong with Kenya? Its Tribalism. Kibaki had all the RESOURCES to organize a FREE and Fair elections in 2007..Did he? NO..why? It wasnt necessary because he was not going to relinguish power..whether he won or not..why? Leader ship he saw it as a kikuyu entitlement. We must change that mentality and BUILD this country of ours.

— On *Wed, 4/2/09, Harun Kaburia * wrote:

From: Harun Kaburia
Subject: Re: KENYATTA THE ROOT CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEMS
Date: Wednesday, 4 February, 2009, 8:58 AM

There is something very nauseting about learned people who refuse to behave learned. How many times does anyone have to be told that the Kenyatta and Moi regimes were not about ‘tribes’ as we know them (Kikuyus, Kalenjins, etc), but about clicks that formed around the presidency and took advantage of the centre of power to accumulate wealth? It is not right at all to lump people together on the basis of tribes and say Kikuyus benefited because of Kenyatta or Kalenjins benefitted because of Moi etc. I have said it before and I say it again – people who call others tribalists are only running from the fact that they are worse tribalists themselves!

Where do you place the non-Kikuyus who became fabulously wealth under the Kenyatta regime?

Or the non-Kalenjins who benefitted greatly from the Moi regime?

As the saying goes, wise men talk because they have something to say. On the other hand, foolish men talk because they have to say something.

Many others went on to acquire wealth at the expense of the people who

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:34 PM, mathias aguta wrote:

Ken,
You have extremely useful ideas on how to get us out of the jungle of misgovernance. The only notion I have to cleear from your mind is that I benefited (you’ve repeated this several times) from the Moi regime. I never did as Moi took over leadership when I was too young to comprehend the intricacies of politics and the use of political godfathers for corrupt personal gain. I’m still avery poor man sruglling in far away Juba to feed and educate my family. I fully agree with all the points you raise: Kenyatta abused power by corruptly rewarding tribal loyalists to the exclusion of other communities. Bank loans were given, then, on the basis of which language you used to greet the bank manager. I have many close relatives and friends who tell sob stories of how they were denied opportunity for self-development because the bank manager thought their language did not meet the minimum proficiency criteria for a bank loan.

The Moi regime did even better and we have multi-millionaires who acquired their wealth over-night just by being close to the centre of power. I never even got to one kilometre close to Moi or any of his power brokers. I have struggled all my life to earn the little that I have. Now, the injutsices occassioned upon us by these past leaders, and the continued skewed allocation of resources by the current regime, must be corrected. If you re-read all the seven solutions that you propose, you’ll realise that we are saying the same thing really. All refer to what we must do NOW in order to secure a more just and euitable distribution of power and resources in the FUTURE. This is what we must do. Learn from history to avoid mistakes in future. Where do we disagree in all this? Only in your proposal for retributive, restitutive and even retrogressive application of justice. Who do we punish for our present unfortunate circumstances? The Mudavadis, Mois, Kenyattas, Mbiyu Koinanges, Simeon Nyachaes, Oginga Odingas,or Mulu Mutisyas? Please note that 99.99% of all Kenyans who have held political leadership positions, or been close to the weilders of power, are wealthy while all else have had to struggle.How will dispossessing the children of all these guys help us other than re-inflaming tribal passions and leading the country to further drift into the abyssses of tribal animosity?

I neither apologize nor rationalize past criminal actions by Kenyatta or Moi. I only suggest more nation-friendly solutions – exactly like you have done – to move forward without seeking to open old wounds and dig up ogres we will never be able to control.

So, I agree with you: we must seek to institute legal and institutional safeguards against leadership that impoverishes the nation while enriching tribes and personal friends. We have learnt from history that unless we do so, even future saints may be tempted to ruin this country. The challenge for NOW is to find solutions such as you propose so that the FUTURE is insured against corrupt, inept and unpatriotic leadership.

Mathias.

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:46:42 +0000
From: masumbi2000@ . . .
Subject: RE: KENYATTA THE ROOT CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEMS

Mathias Aguta,
You always miss the point and miss the see or understand the clear connection between Kenyatta’s dictatorial and tribalist leadership and the problems we have today. Let me just give you a simple example..Kenyatta build into GEMA’s psyche and mentality that they have an entitlement to the country’s Resources and Leadership..To be very frank with you tis is exactly what caused the 2007 Violence..GEMA leadership did not accept handing over the country’s leadership to a Luo in the name of Raila Odinga…To them it was do or die..this mentality of entitlement that was created by Kenyatta must die in order for Kenya to live.

Secondly,the inequality in the country didnt just happen by chance. It was deliberately created by Jomo Kenyatta. How? by channeling devlopment resources to Central Province. Didnt you read the SID Report:Pulling apart-the life expectancy difference between a man living in Nyanza and one living in Central is 16 years. No coincidence if you know your political and economic history. In north eastern only 7 percent of girls are attending school..in central 93 percent are attending school..These are clear cut huge diffrences that are not DELIBERATE..They were created by the RUTHLESS Kenyatta regime. Tribalism was created and enhanced by Kenyatta..All loans went to Central..all tenders went to central..all scholarships went to Central..A change must be effected for this country to move forward..

Aguta you seem to be a really good man but a little naive in trying to move forward without thinking about how we got where we are. You ask what we have learnt from KENYATTAs misgovernance..We can only learn something by unpacking and analysing how he ruled and what he did and did not. Yes Aguta we find solutions by looking back and looking forward..thats how it works. I hope that you spend sometimes reading how other countries developed and some political science too.

Aguta you seem to apologize and rationalise the bad leadership in the past. Please if you benefited from MOIs Rule..No one has no problem you but yourself..You are almost saying that a thief stole because he was hungry..or saying that someone killed because he was annoyed..Kenyatta ruled recklessly because thats what he had to do..thats what you are saying..thats very naive Aguta and out of the ordinary reasoning.No one is holding any grudge against the Kikuyus..what we are doing is looking back into how we got here to find better solutions..The Kikuyus themselves who gained from these processes must examine themselves deeply and decide whether such kind of behaviour have helped this country called KENYA.

*Now my solutions:*

1.Isolate communities that want to continue worshipping TRIBALISM. It worked very well during the referendum and worked well in the 2007 General elections to an extent that someone had to steal elections to be President..Good thing he wont steal all the time..
2.New Constitutional Dispensation-Bomas Draft-where Presidents appointees go through parliamentary scrutiny and approval 3.Criminalise Tribalism through the Law and implement the law to the letter
4.Form a Parliamentary committee to look into public employment lists..Government must submit the list annually for scrutiny..Companies like Equity Bank too must submit the list of their employees. Any company employing a certain tribe in a way that shows its tribalistic must be deregistered.
5.The parliamentary committee must ensure there is balance in appointments.
6.Ministers must not be Members of parliament.
7.Land reforms must be done immediately..Find Ndungu Land Report and implement it.

— On *Tue, 3/2/09, mathias aguta * wrote:

From: mathias aguta
Subject: RE: KENYATTA THE ROOT CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEMS
Date: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009, 5:43 AM

Those are very good lessons in the “History of Kenya between 1963 and 1978”, as Prof. Ogot would probably say in his next history text book. But I ask:

1. What have we learnt fom Kenyatta’s mis-governance?
2. What have we learnt from Moi’s 24 years at the helm?
3. What are we learning now from the Kibaki/Raila failures (any successes?)
4. What do we, this generation, intend to do about it?

Cheptumo shouts out for all the world to hear: SOLUTIONS MUST BE FOUND TODAY, NOT TOMORROW.

I ask: Do we intend to find solutions by always looking (walking) back into history and blaming all our problems on leaders of a bygone era?

I will challenge wanabidii here: How would they have governed a country of 8 million people in 1963 with a leadership that thought Kenyans owed them huge debts for “bringing *uhuru”*?

How would you expect Moi to rule in a climate of tribal hate, surrounded by *nyangau’s *who awaited the “passing of the cloud” for too long? How would a leader react to a section of a population that openly thought that he was only good at herding cattle, not people?

I agree tribal greed and arrogance caused many Kenyans lots of pain during those dark years. I see no end to this in the Kibaki/Raila administration. What then? Continue holding grudges against tribes that benefited from bad leadership?

I reiterate we must move on and keep our sights on the future without being distracted by historical errors. I believe strongly that as long as we continue reminding “ourselves” and “them” about graveyards of bad leadership, we will continue being haunted by ghosts that have nothing to do with our current leadership challenges.

The problems we face now have nothing to do with Mzee Kenyatta or Daniel arap Moi. These are problems of Kibaki/Raila and this generation. If we cannot confront real present governance challenges now, nothing in history will ever rescue us from the blunders of both Kenyatta and Moi.

We must hold current leaders responsible fro current problems. The benefit of history gives us the knowldge we need to avoid Moi’s and Kenyatta’s mistakesand, at the same time, demand that Kibaki/Raila do not take us back to those dark days. That’s the challenge of this generation NOT Kenyatta/Moi’s generations.

As it is, it’s becoming increasingly clear that Kibaki and Raila will blame MOi for their failures. Moi will in turn blame Kenyatta for the many problems he inherited. This generation will, after 2012, balme all theri prblems on Kibaki and Raila. When shall we stop this blame games and get down to sorting out the current messes? Of course, it is always easier to blame all the others, but ourselves, for all our present failures. But the sooner we took a share of the blame the earlier we will start solving some of our CURRENT problems.

Mathias.

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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:24:22 +0300
Subject: Re: KENYATTA THE ROOT CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEMS
From: amosogal@ . . .

Where are other members on this? I am waiting to see contribution of some specific members here.

On 1/31/09, *RENOLDS CHEPTUMO* wrote:

The root cause of the problems Kenyans face today was as a result of our past leaders, especially the first government led by Kenyatta. This government started off badly by sowing the seeds of tribalism, Kenyatta’s first government was purely a Kikuyu affair, right from the security forces to the civil service. He simply could not appreciate the fact that Kenya was made up of 42 tribes, this he did not hide, he even made a statement to the effect that ” sisi tukikamua ngomb’e asubuhi, wengine watakamua jioni” this was arrogance of the highest order.

Kenyatta had a duty to resettle people who were earlier evicted by the white settlers to their original farms, this did not happened, instead, they allocated themselves huge tracks of land, that is why Kenyatta family today owns 700,000 acres, Moi family 500,000 (most of it acquired when he was president) and Kibaki 300,000 acres (courtesy of Ndungu Land report).