Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:08:54 +0000 [11:08:54 AM CST]
From: Kennedy Oduor
Subject: Re: Martha Karua the Iron Lady of our time

Winnie my questions are leading us to the BIG THIEF who conspired to steal the elections and led us the violence never seen before in this country. People are forgeting that the violence did not just erupt and Ruto is right..what impunity is greater than a person who conspires to steal a PEOPLES RIGHT to choose their leader? We are concentrating too much on the Post election tribunal(not that its less important) and leting THIEVES off the Hook.

The Kriegler Commission did a very shoddy job. What we have refused to ask ourselves is that If there was THEFT and therefore NO WINNER..Who stole? who conspired to steal even if its on both sides? Who threatened the Chairman of ECK that he/she will take the certificate by force to state house???? Why cant we give Kivuitu a chance to tell Kenyans what happened in 2007??? Why cant put the ECK Commissioners on the DOCK and let each tell his/her story??? Why are we running away from the theft and concentrating on the VIOLENCE which was TRIGGERED by the THEFT???? Without the THEFT of the elections there would have been no violence-BELIEVE ME..

— On Wed, 18/2/09, winnie waeni wrote:

From: winnie waeni
Subject: Re: Martha Karua the Iron Lady of our time
Date: Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 3:43 AM

Mr.Kennedy Oduor,

You have very valid questions, its just that am wondering where they are leading us to. Well, we go ahead and know WHO did what, then what next? For instance we already know what Kamlesh Pattni, yagnesh devani, Samuel Kivuitu and the rest did………… what have we done??????? Talked and are still talking one year down the lane. And truly as Kenya stands now, the talk will continue forever!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway most of the answers to your “WHO” question pretty much lies in the ENVELOPE, yeah that one. If only it could be open and made public, you would be a satisfied man

Waeni

— On Wed, 2/18/09, John Kihara wrote:

From: John Kihara
Subject: Re: Martha Karua the Iron Lady of our time
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 12:09 AM

All,
A commission investigated the conduct of the elections. Its report was endorsed by the contestants of 2007 elections. The verdict was that it is impossible to find out who won the elections obviously because the evidence presented implicated both sides in electrol malpractices. Continuing to point fingers to one side is like a pigmy calling another pigmy short.
If Mr Oketch and others did not present all the evidence they have against Madam Karua to the Kliegler commision, they should forever hold their peace. If they did, the commission gave its verdict after weighing all the evidence presented before it.
Therefore, no side has a moral standing to claim that the other side stole the election. Period!!

As for Madam Minister Karua, she is bound to attract a lot of criticism, slander, bellitlemet etc because of her ambitions. And her courage to take on her adversaries and leave them panting,……….hahahaaaaa……. in the male dominated political world is the envy of both friend and foe.

My message to her,
Go Madam Karua, go ………………………….. !!!!!!!!

— On Tue, 2/17/09, onguru daniel wrote:

From: onguru daniel
Subject: Re: Martha Karua the Election Thief and No. 1 Crook
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 11:02 PM

timothy,
when talking about something as gracious as the integrity of the kenyan people, lining up at 4.30am to vote, only to be told that the ECK did not know who won, keep your seeming rage down. if you were watching your favourite TV station during the fate-filled period following vote casting, you saw your Karua stressing a few points, then kivuitu plastered an ulcer with chilly cement!
face facts and dont call others “tribalist’ for if the name you use here iseal, you sure belong to one tribe that you adore!
nyani lazima aonyeshwe kundule for kenyans to play right!!!

— On Tuetalking , 2/17/09, timothy kihara wrote:

From: timothy kihara
Subject: Re: Martha Karua the Election Thief and No. 1 Crook
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 10:21 PM

Kennedy and Mike,

I need to add my voice to this.

I hope those who are not sleeping for fear of being prosecuted can pick your que and present this “water tight defense” that they murdered/raped/torched houses because Martha stole an election.

I hope too the judges who will hear this will not be “corrupt or Tribalist” to deny the accused such GREAT evidence.

Just as there are paid hecklers in a rally so are there paid Bloggers.

On 2/18/09, Kennedy Oduor wrote:

Thank you very much Mr.Oketch for bringing this very important discussion on board. It seems that as Kenyans discuss the Post-Election Tribunal, we have forgotten that this tribunal was necessitated because some people colluded to steal the 2007 General Elections. NOT TOO FAST. I have argued that as much as I abhor impunity, I also abhor theft and especially theft of a “Peoples Right to choose the Leader they deserve”. What greater impunity is the impunity where one is accused of manipulating the electoral commission and leading the country to a bloody violence that killed about 1,500 people and displaced over 300,000 people?

This is my take..as we pursue the Post Election Tribunal..LETS ALSO GO BACK TO THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE VIOLENCE that rocked the country in 2007. Lets answer these questions:
1. Who conluded with ECK to defraud Kenyans of the electoral outcome?
2.Who threatened the ECK Chairman that he/she will take the certificate to State House by force?
3.Who changed the election figures at ECK headquaters?
4.Why are we not charging ECK with fraud?
5.Were there meetings organized to manipulate the election results?
6.If yes,who organized them and who ordered the organizations of the meetings?

ECK should immediately once paid off be charged with FRAUD. As Kenyans need to find out who organized the post election violence we also need to find out who brought us to this violence.Who stole the elections, No matter how you look at it, without elections being stolen we couldnt have had such widespread violence. The argument that with or without stolen elections, there was going to be violence is unfounded, primitive,backward and has no place in this important discussion. Someone stole the elections and led us into all these commissions of inquiry and some people helped in the stealing of the eelctions. Lets be honest and face the truth..

— On Tue, 17/2/09, mike oketch wrote:

From: mike oketch
Subject: Martha Karua the Election Thief and No. 1 Crook
Date: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 1:33 PM

Wanabidii

What greater impunity than to have someone who helped Kihara Mutu and Kivuitu rig elections stay as minister?

What greater impunity than to have someone who has not had even a single pursuit of corruption cases but have an anti graft chief earning salary than the President of Kenya?

What greater impunity to have a lady who has consistently been singing war songs claim to be the champion of justice?

What greater impunity than to have a lady who doesn’t care about cohesion made to lead cohesion?

What has Martha Karua done? What has she done to be able to point fingers? Martha Karua is the chief crook and the most corrupt of the corrupt. Martha Karua is against cohesion and a tribal chauvinist and cheap useless insults and temper and profanity with a man of God. What greater impunity is that?