Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:23:19 -0700 [02:23:19 PM CDT]
From: bedann maina
Subject: Re: Mutula Kilonzo is Sick

Well owinga, i don’t think Mutula is sick. This deal was signed and all was concluded. When you buy something you don’t go home and decide hey i think it should have been cheaper, and then rush back to the shop to renegotiate the price. Kibakis press conference about his wife or wives or whichever doesn’t help us, neither Raila’s telling us that the students have a democratic right to demonstrateasking for “HAKI YETU” the guy is not even remorseful after all the rooting and damage that happened. On the other hand i think Nyamasyo is right thes horrible MPs are not worth discussing.

— On Wed, 3/11/09, CLARE NYAMASYO wrote:

From: CLARE NYAMASYO
Subject: Re: Mutula Kilonzo is Sick
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 10:33 AM
When i read your political views and opinions i smile to myself because i realy think we have better things to do than talk about our mp’s. I bet you all agree with me that all of them are just so selfish and they are ready to suck even our own blood till the last breath. Before we talk about who won what and who talks sense than who and which party has the most MP’s pliz! pliz! can somebody tell these 222 guys to pay taxes, buy their own newspapers, fuel their cars and pay for their laundry services?

What about discussing how we can feed our starving kenyans? The 24 hour for Kenya is on again this friday. lets all visit our nearest Uchumi and Nakumatt super markets and donate something to save a life.

If our MP’s are now forming tribunals to even look into wether they should pay taxes or not which was the first issue when they got into parliament, when will they ever get to famine issues which i know is among the last issues in their list of priorities???

Please lets stop devisive talks and promote peace, national unity and reconciliation. We help this guys in their dirty politics and when things get bad they hide in the safety of their mansions as we kill each other out here. Lets open our eyes and see, when two bulls fight, ………….. you know what happens.

— On Wed, 3/11/09, owinga bonfas wrote:
From: owinga bonfas
Subject: Mutula Kilonzo is Sick
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 6:16 AM
Jayne Wachira we in this forum are not going to entertain lies juts because
someone does not want to hear the truth. People like Mutula Kilonzo are used to
political sycophancy just like Alfred Mutua and Moses Wetangula and that kind of
behavior is killing this country,where a leader fights for his own stomach and
not the people of Kenya.

If Kibaki has failed as he has and made Kenya a failed state, we shall surely
say that..If Mutula is misleading this country with such myopic and useless talk
then we shall surely say it..If Alfred Mutua is misleading and misinforming this
country,we shall surely point that out…this is a PROGRESSIVE
FORUM..and a
forum for pleasing anybody..We are a progressive youth who believe that with
truth and forward thinking we cna help this country of ours..

Kenyans cannot demand results from a leader like Kibaki who will only call a
press conference to talk about his family matters and not national hunger..not
corruption..not constitutional review..not confusion in the coalition..not
insecurity in the country..we shall not accept such negligence..we shall talk
about it..You cannot demand results from a mouthy Minister like Mutula
Kilonzo..Doesnt he know that ODM-Kenya was lst in december polls?..Lets be
realistic..and pint out ills nomatter where the Minister hails from..we really
dont care where they come from..what Kenyans want are straightforward leaders
who serve the people and who lead from the front…

— On Wed, 3/11/09, Jayne Wachira
wrote:

> From: Jayne Wachira
Subject: Re: Mutula Kilonzo
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 8:25 PM

> We shouldnt take advantage of this forum to bring division.
> Whether you
> support ODM or whatever party, we have three more years to
> go before we go
> to ballot box or start hearing sentiments such as this. We
> should demand
> results from our leaders but not who is the leader of what
> and which party
> has majority MPS.
>
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM, odhiambo okecth wrote:
>
> > *Mutula Kilonzo must be sick 6**th** March 2009*
> >
> >
> > Hon Mutula was the other day quoted as saying that ODM
> can take a walk, and
> > they, PNU, can just appoint any other
person to the
> office of Prime
> > Minister, and life moves on. Yesterday, after Raila
> had said that he does
> > not know whom Mutua Alfred talks for, Mutula was on
> Raila again. Yes, ODM
> > should take the walk if they so wish hakuna
> kubembeleza, they should stop
> > threatening the government of national unity. We are
> tired……
> >
> >
> > Just like Raila ignored Hon Johnston Muthama when
> Muthama was sent to
> > antagonize him at all the times, The Right Hon Raila
> has chosen to give
> > Mutula the contempt card. He will remain as vacuous as
> Muthama was before
> > him. Let the person who has sent them know this. And
> Raila must not respond
> > to them.
> >
> > I bet that as a partner in this government, if Mutua
> was talking on behalf
> > of Raila as
well, Raila would know. Not Mutula.
> Anyway, we will take this on
> > another day.
> >
> >
> > At the same time, Hon Wetangula Moses said that before
> ODM came on board,
> > there was a government in place, so there will still
> be a government in
> > place even if they packed and left. True, with or
> without them, the
> > government will continue to serve its people, nothing
> stops.
> >
> >
> > Then the coward of them all, Hon Noah Wekesa was again
> sent to go and read
> > another press statement. And he read the same without
> looking at the cameras
> > even once. As usual, he was being used. Used by whom,
> give circustancial
> > evidence…..
> >
> >
> > My take is not with Wekesa. He does not know many
> things. My take is with
> > the two
lawyers who sat at Serena as part of the
> negotiation team. On the
> > PNU said with them was Hon Martha Karua. If they can
> get it all that wrong,
> > then I really pity them. interesting?
> >
> >
> > After Hon Kibaki stole the elections, Kenya erupted
> like never before. This
> > made the international community come on board to help
> create peace. Many
> > Kenyans lost their lives. Many more were displaced.
> Krieglar confirmed
> > from his findings that he doesn’t know who won and
> both ODM and PNU were
> > involved in stealing of election votes.
> >
> >
> > It took great efforts to create peace. And now, it
> seems like the two
> > people that PNU sent to the negotiating table do not
> know why they went to
> > the table. It looks like they were journeymen in the
>
process. What comes
> > from their mouths makes me think so. Am amazed by
> your sentiments that
> > these two top notch lawyers, very brilliant and
> intelligent dont know what
> > they are doing…….
> >
> >
> > Hon Mutula had been a KANU apologist for eternity.
> Kenyans did not trust
> > him at all. I remember once when Mutuma Mathiu of the
> Nation Media told me
> > off when I talked about Mutula during the Referendum
> campaign. I did support
> > Mutula then. But with the benefit of hindsight, I can
> now see clearly what
> > Mutuma meant. And with regrets I think he was right.
> Mutula Kilonzo is just
> > Mutula Kilonzo. The one that supported President Moi
> do all sorts of things
> > for all those years. Mutula Kilonzo is just like
> Daniel. Raila too
> > supported Moi when
he was promised to be endorsed as
> the preferred candidate
> > for KANu, what did he do after he realised that was
> not bound to happen, he
> > jumped ship.
> >
> >
> > This is one guy who is wallowing in his own miasma of
> deceit. He made his
> > money during the KANU dictatorship and jumped ship
> conveniently to join the
> > forces of liberation without believing in the cause.
> He seems not to know
> > that Kibaki and Kalonzo combined lost to ODM. Kibaki
> has 43 MPs, while
> > Kalonzo has 16 MPs. Combined, PNU and ODM-K have 59
> MPs. ODM on its own has
> > 99 MPs. So?
> >
> >
> > When you add KANU and like minded MPs to what Kibaki
> and Kalonzo have, it
> > comes to 104. ODM and its associates have 106 elected
> MPs. When you add
> > nominated MPs, the
Kibaki alliance has 110 MPs while
> ODM alliance has 112
> > MPs. Issues of who have more MPS than the other got
> burried in the sand
> > almost two years ago, tell us what ODM have done for
> the Kenyans since they
> > are majority in parliament. Selling of maize to
> Sudan?
> >
> >
> > These are facts well known to both Mutula and
> Wetangula, and both of them
> > are lawyers. I pity them. Interesting…..
> >
> >
> > At Serena, they came up with the Draft that came to be
> known as the
> > National Accord. In the Draft, it is well stated that
> the Prime Minister
> > will be the leader of the largest number of MPs in
> Parliament. It is a known
> > fact that ODM is the single largest party in
> Parliament. ODM has 99 elected
> > MPs. PNU has 43. KANU has, I think 19.
ODM-K, [from
> where Mutula gloats] has
> > 16. The rest have one or two MPs. What are they doing
> for the starving,
> > jobless Kenyas with majority MPs?????.
> >
> >
> > Surely, can Mutula pretend not to know these simple
> things? Even if you
> > want to kiss ass, Lets mind the language we use I bet
> you need to do it
> > honourably. Did you here Mutula give a budget of 33T
> for Nairobi
> > Metropolitan? Does he know what our economy is worth?
> This is simple
> > madness. What is our economy worth to get everyone
> become middle income
> > earner?
> >
> >
> > You cannot sack Raila. You cannot pick the leader of
> ODM-K, or Chama cha
> > Mapinduzi to be the Prime Minister of Kenya. It must
> be the person who leads
> > the largest party in Parliament, and that
person is
> Raila, like it or not.
> > That is what the Accord that Mutula and Wetangula
> signed. And they must be
> > knowing it. So what makes them shoot from the hip? We
> know Raila is the PM
> > but what Mapinduzi has ODM brought – to support
> University students
> > demonstrate?
> >
> >
> > Kenya is not yet out of the woods. We are interacting
> with many Kenyans,
> > Kenyans from all walks of life, and the best we can do
> is to create an
> > enabling environment for national healing and
> reconciliation. Are you
> > doing that when you send such a mail?You cannot
> promote national healing
> > and reconciliation by shooting from the hips the way
> Mutula and Wetangula
> > are doing.
> >
> >
> > The two gentlemen lawyers are doing PNU a big
> disservice
by talking the way
> > they are. How? Even if we are to show their masters
> that they deserve the
> > positions they have been given, they must take into
> account the intelligence
> > of Kenyans. Kenyans want to live in peace with each
> other, not more
> > conflict. Ok….
> >
> >
> > This kind of talk endangers the life of that Luo who
> lives in Nyeri. It
> > endangers the life of that Kikuyu who lives in
> Kabartonjo. It makes life
> > difficult for Kenyans who would like to live in
> eternal peace as brothers
> > and sisters. These people must be stopped. They are
> spoiling for President
> > Kibaki who has the moral obligation to go down in
> history as the person who
> > held Kenya together when Kenya was in flames. Kibaki
> stands to loose
> > nothing after his term
ends…..
> >
> >
> > Kenya will be a lot better without the Kilonzos and
> Wetangulas of this
> > world. Kibaki needs to leave a legacy that we can talk
> about with confidence
> > into the future. But with such rabid dogs, all can be
> easily lost. Dont we
> > have ODM leaders who are corrupt? Why meantion PNU
> leaders only…………
> >
> >
> > If I were President Kibaki, I would immediately sack
> Mutula and Wetangula
> > for the sake of Kenya. Instead of being honest
> counselors to the President,
> > they have chosen to be auctioneers. So where do you
> place Ruto?
> >
> >
> > As for Wekesa, his masters know when to unleash him.
> Just like Muthama,
> > Mutula and Wetangula, they stand for nothing.
> >
> >
> > Odhiambo T Oketch,
>
>
> > Komarock Nairobi.