Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:03:04 -0700 [04/08/2009 01:03:04 AM CDT]
From: Caroleen M
Subject: Re: Karua can as well resign, who cares!!!!Trabalists?
True Joshua, there has been a trend of a few individuals making sure that they squeeze out an aspect of tribalism even when there is nothing tribal . Is someone guilty of something?
Two things about Karua’s resignation
1.That she strongly defended a disputed election denies her the moral authority to talk about reforms and governance. It will cost her a lot to convience many that she is genuine in the issues she raises and the steps she takes-that’s why at times it is good to shut up ones mouth since no one will judge you for what you have not said.
2. The above statement not withstanding, her resgination tells us that something is seriouly wrong with our presidency. Martha may not be new to controversy but on this one- it is a clear indication that this government is just but a name. The problems facing this country as well as the solutions to solving them lie with the president. But at the look of things, it will take the efforts of selfless Kenyans to reclaim but this beloved nation.
Lynn
On Apr 7, 5:34 pm, Joshua Amolo wrote:
Great Sungu some things you cant fight:
1. Your names
2. Where you were born
3. Your accent
4. Your parents
Some few characters in this forum have tribalised named so much that if I support anything Raila does or says it is because I am Amolo which means I might have some genes in common while the truth I havent even been 100Metres close to Raila.
Sungu I support you do not respond to posts which suggest you are a tribalist because for me those who argue like that are fools and the Bible says that:
Proverbs 27:22
Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding him like grain with a pestle, you will not remove his folly from him.
Proverbs 13:20
He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm.
2 Timothy 2:23
Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
On 4/7/09, otieno sungu wrote:
My dear,
You can call me Otieno Sungu anyday anytime, I have no apologies for being Sungu as long as there is nothing I am hiding behind it like a job not deserved or given to me coz I am a Sungu, otherwise, even here in Juba, I am known as Sungu to Kenyans, Sudanese, Ugandans, Rwandese, Americans, Britons,Egyptians, Chinese,Ethiopians etc and I am dead proud of both being a Luo and a Kenyan( by the way, did you also know my name is Raphael which I hardly use??!!)
Most welcome Naomi( I wish I knew your native name not that Mzungu one!!) Be proud of who you are dear, I even tried changing names to fight tribalism and found out Sungu is still the best!!!
Sungu.
Juba.
— On Tue, 4/7/09, Naomi wrote:
From: Naomi
Subject: Re: Karua can as well resign, who cares!!!!Trabalists?
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 7:10 AM
Otieno if it is true you are not a tribalist y didn’t you reffer to your “brothers” as Michael and peter,
the only way we will ever get across this barrier is when we call people by their first names
just a thought
On Apr 7, 2:55 pm, otieno sungu wrote:
Wachira and Wachiuri,
Let us analyse things here, in any of my posts, tell me where I have mentioned any tribe. For one, I have mentioned golfing buddies, I do not know what tribe you suppose this is! Is it only one tribe that plays golf in Kenya?
Martha Karua is not a tribe, she is an individual that I am criticising, if that to you is criticising a tribe for which you want me to shut up, ask yourself who is tribalist between you and me!!
I never mention any tribe in my discusions if you care to read them, I dare you to show me which post ans I will shut up!!!!
What the two of you are tired of hearing are street truths that you will hear everywhere unless you wax your ears.
I don’t know which tribe stole elections if at all, all I know is that elections were stolen by individuals not a tribe, there were many people from different tribes I suppose.
When I talk of the wealthy who are ruining us, I do not know which tribe you think the wealthy are, are they only found in one tribe or all over? Isn’t Moi wealthy, Uhuru, Raila, Kibaki?
You are the tribalists, you only want to talk of unity when “one of your own” is not under attack. Karua remains at the core of the problems that visited this country with the botched elections, she could have been an Ogiek for all I care, the mere fact that she was involved in coersing flawed election results to be announced and ask the “losers” to go to the courts that now she lambasts make me see her for what she is; an opportunists.
Brothers, you are not tribes yourselves, I am not a tribe. Let us leave out tribe in our discussions and criticise or applaud individuals. In another post, I just criticised Raila Odinga for crying out about carpets,diases and podiums that I watched on yesterdays news, I have even copied the PM.For me, any leader not doing what is good for the country is the one in the ” wrong tribe” if I may say so.
And brothers, it is people like me who make the leaders see the logs in their eyes, not the ones who want to, like I always say, massage them!!!!!
Good day brothers,
Sungu.
Juba.
— On Tue, 4/7/09, Robert Alai wrote:
From: Robert Alai
Subject: Re: Karua can as well resign, who cares!!!!
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:38 AM
Be analysing issues with no tribalism we see instead of yapping how people are tribal while you contribute nothing to teh debates
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:30 PM, peter wachiuri wrote:
I fully support Michael’s sentiments. Most people in this forum are so tribal. they cannot comment or contribute without saying either this tribe did this or that. I think we are all kenyan no matter where you come from. If you don’t have anything to contribute without being tribal just SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Michael Wachira
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:48:54 AM
Subject: RE: Karua can as well resign, who cares!!!!
My Dear Friend Sungu,
What are you, doing about those unfortunate citizenry; all i hear and read is empty rhetoric. Why don’t you prove yourself a worthy adversary through actions, in comparision to the Karua’s and “wealthy golfing fraternity”.
Yours is just total B.S. Am freaking tired of most content in this forum, from tribalists and the likes of you. Shut up if you can’t contribute constructively.
M.W
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 13:11:37 -0700
From: sun…@ . . .
Subject: Karua can as well resign, who cares!!!!
For Martha Karua, there are no sympathies at all, she was at the forefront fighting for Kibaki whom she knew very well had lost the 2007 elections miserably,for her, the chickens have just come home to roost.
Kibaki is not the kind of leader who appreciates that a good turn deserves another, he has now turned against the very lieutenants who stole the elections for him.
Whether she resigns or not, she must now know that the club of thugs at State House for whom she secured elections had not the interest of Kenyans at heart, maybe she did, but for the golfing club, it is about wealth, more wealth and amassing even more wealth.
It does not even matter to them that Kenyans are dying of hunger,IDPs are still in camps and poverty and unemployment is rising, for them, there is even no problem at the Judiciary which they rely on to thwart justice when caught stealing, there is no corruption because they believe they are entitled to what they are stealing from institutions like KAA etc, that is why a “golfing buddy” has to be everywhere where money is minted.
It is unfortunate for Karua that she never knew she was just a spanner girl for them, she is not wealthy enough to be left to “manage affairs of the wealty” at the Justice Ministry, she should ask Githongo!!!
Sungu.
Juba.
From: Betty Otieno
Subject: Martha KARUA
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 2:16 PM
On KTN News this 9.00pm bulletin. She spoke with a very heavy heart. Like a good lawyer, not mouthy but straight to the point and guarded in her statement. Tomorrow she will give a statement to the country. It is widely expected she will tender in her resignation.
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