Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:43:21 +0000 [04/13/2009 07:43:21 AM CDT]
From: simba@ . . .
Subject: Re: Vs: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption – Stop Pointing Fingers

Hello everyone,

This issue of refering to Somali pirates purchasing the whole of Nairobi using money received from hostages is really misplaced.

For your information most of land being developed in Nairobi and environs is being done by Kenyan Somalis. I’ll advice those making wild allegations to get their facts right. Besides, even if money has been sourced from outside Kenya what is the big deal about it? I thought attracting foreign funds is an added advantage in these times when the country is deprived of much needed foreign currency. Remember our worst enemies are as suggested the Raila’s and Kibaki’s who are stealing our hard earned money. We should deal with goldenberg and anglo leasing thieves before we point fingures towards poor refugees who need our protection!

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—–Original Message—–
From: “Paul Nyandoto”

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:06:54
Subject: Vs: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption – Stop Pointing
Fingers

Judy & Waweru et al.

I have been reading your correspondences with much earger, and I just want to add one thing before you guys draw any conclusion: You Judy and Waweru you do belong on one side of the coin. You have missed one point here, in the history of coin all over the world, this thing we call coin is always two sided, so which side are you not a member of?, think for yourself. I would advice you guys not to be all that naive and blind.

The present real problem in Kenya is just two people and they are RAILA and KIBAKI full stop. These two are 100% depending on their LIEUTENANTS,infact they are breathing their oxygen, drinking their blood, they can not do away with them, it is SYMBIOSIS. Neither Kibaki nor Raila can afford to fire anybody in their kitchen politics, it is a very big risk to make. Kibaki may, since he does not need votes in 2012, but he really needs security after what happened in 2007 election and violences etc. Do you Know that once a leader decides not to accept the
rules and behaviors required, regardless of what anyone thinks and , more importantly , regardless of the consequences then he is not a good leader. Who are those corrupt leaders you are talking about: Let me gues; Uhuru Kenyatta who financed Naivasha killings, Kalonzo(VP) for ordering ECK chairman to give false information or for begging the army to give him power or what?. Saitoti Goldenburgs scandle, or other angloleasing lieutenants, or Libyan and Quatar dills or these now selling the whole of Nairobi to Somalians inorder to get pirates dollars?, Infact if I were Obama I would have just hit Kenya first before bombing Mogadishu, because that is where alot of pirates money is being used and there must be some tycoons gaining and fertilizering the pirates in Indian ocean etc. On Raila`s side: Ruto with pending cases, Mdavadi was once also involved in Goldenburgs scandle etc. So who among these group would you like to be fired?.

I was in school with Kikuyus, kisiis, luhjas, kalenjins, luos, giriamas etc and in all my schooliing days I did not see anybody cutting another person`s throat just because he comes from a different tribe. We had the same course in life, get education and succeed in life, build our country etc, nobody bothered what language the other speaks at home, but in school we communicated among each other very friendly, smoothly and games were fine. Teachers were also from mixed tribes, including even europeans. What happened after 2007 election can just tell you that Kenya is having no good leaders at the moment.

So doing cosmetic surgery will not change the main problem. Why should kenya have a dynastry in politics?, do you want tell us that if Idi Amin was a kenyan his son would be also kicking our batts today that he also wants to be a president?. Infact we thought that somebody like Kibaki could break the dynastry system, but now Kibaki is also going for project Uhuru no.2, Guys are we Kenyans all that blind?. How many Kikuyus can not afford land in central province at the same time Kenyatta`s family is having junks of land they do not even need or use all over the country including foreign countries?. I hope you guys dig out what is on the other side of coin before it is too late.

Best regards
Paul Nyandoto
Judy Miriga 04/12/09 1:33 >>>

Nimmos Waweru

I agree with you. Lets go this route, we must put both Raila and Kibaki to task until they root out corrupt leaders and until we get what majority Kenyans want. We have never had serious problems before as Kenyans in our tribal existance until now when we are being used so we hate and fight amongs ourselves and those who are enjoying our taxpayers are having fields day. We are the ones who are stupid. We have the power to kick these goons out of office and put new ones to teach people with simple minds such like these never to play with Kenyans again. We are the ones to chart out our d estiny. We have allowed these leaders to mess our country to a point Somali undocumented migrants have made Eastleigh Mogadisho. These foreigners are armed with very sophisticated weaponry in the heart of Nairobi. Migingo Island has been sold to Yoweri Museveni, our land has been sold to foreigners, our Industrial hotels and other public assets have been given away at throw away price………What are we left with? What will we tell our children? I am very angry…..We and we alone have to fix our destiny.

Umoja ni nguvu…..

Judy

Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:22 PM

Judy
As i asked you before what kind coalition or government can be formed when both sides people are as tainted as they are?Do you want to tell me that we ignore impunity for the sake of sharing power only.As i said why cant Kibaki and Raila first agree to uproot these dirty people in the government first??

Look the problem here is both ODM and PNU they are conspiring to exploit people in the name of coalition government to reward themselves by saying 50/50 right now power sharing topic is irrelevant…now what is remaining is Kibaki and Raila unite and start a list of eliminating whoever is tainted in both sides fire them and hire new people and not necessarily people in the same government.(I mean if Kibaki and Raila speak one voice and agree on eliminating impunity sharing of power question will not rise because the problem is not that 50/50 is not implemented the problem is neither Raila nor Kibaki is willing to compromise for the good of country power sharing is not the solution..Even they share power equally one wil think of overturning one another to remain top. People should get jobs by merit not by any political or tribal affiliations Kibaki old guards like Muthaura should be forced to retire. Kenya is not only for PNU or ODM parties…. Infact as we speak Raila should not be talking of equal share only to accommondate or strengthen his force of his comrades in the name of 50/50 …Neither Kibaki does not own Kenya idividually or Mt Kenya Mafia…Kenya is a country for people and the government should be for people ,and jobs should be for the people who are qualified not those affiliated to PNU or ODM in the name of power sharing…..Judy I wish you could go back to Kenya and vie for the president of the people by the people…we all could do wonders as Kenyans but not as PNU’s or ODM’s ….Infact Judy i hate these people with a passion…because all they think is themselves.These people as short sighted they fail to see the opportunities we have in Kenyan. if only they can see can build the country other than too much greed. Kibaki has had power so is Raila..they are well to do economically even if is at the expence of a country nobody is complaininmg of that.. But if only they are kind enough to manage the country fairly Kenyans has a lot to offer to their country…. International world investors are intrested in Kenya but corruption and political impunity are blockade.All this politicians stealing from the country but banking all the money overseas and we end up losing everything ..I wish they could steal but atleast build factories for the people as to get jobs in Kenya Look ..Kibaki wonna hang around for ever with his old guards..Look Raila is ready to sacrifice anything even civil war for sake of presidency.Look Ruto will do anything thinking that he in touchable because even after he has stolen all government military land a causing the mayhem he is still loose….To my conclusion..even 50/50 power sharing occurs problem is still there if Raila will not be the president…Also unless Kibaki sacrifice and remove the old guards in the goverment,prosecute some of his tainted corrupt friends nothing will bring peace in Kenya……We need to overhaull and remove this recycled..politicians also people of Kenya should vote on merit not by encouraging Mornachy system of ruling in Kenya.

— On Sat, 4/11/09, Judy Miriga wrote:
From: Judy Miriga
Subject: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption – Stop Pointing
Fingers
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 10:13 AM

Waweru,

As much as I agree with you to some extend, we have a big problem here, that of Coalition Government signed by two people who have been entrusted to mission work of reform agenda. There are some dangerous loopholes that cannot be overlooked and which canned be used at the next election because it will be desasterous, worse than 2007 conflict.

The purpose for the coalition government signed by the two could have been taken over or replaced by an Interim Government to do the same before the next election. This is why there was fear to go for a repeat election.

Unless those pockets are filled, no election will take place. Between PNU and ODM one group is not faithful and is not following the rule. There is common observation that one group is trying to outdo the other and are driving out of the rail. This is where the problem lies and we must start from where the problem is.

Now our bus stops at the two, Kibaki and Raila upon their commond agreement on behalf of Kenyans peace, reconcilliation, rehabilitation and security for all Kenyan so to avoid repeat of the December 2007 and all this is locked in the coalition government – both must respect the 50/50 share as was agreed, so we can start moving from there. Now who of the two do we take to task. Who is not behaving well for us to move to the next step? We are stuck there until we prove beyond reasonable doubt that they are completely defeated, they we move to plan B which is the Interim Government who will be entrusted with the mission which have defeated them.

So whoever is out of track of the two in the coalition, it is our duty to face him directly and squarely to make this coalition work.

How about that?

Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com

— On Sat, 4/11/09, nimmos waweru wrote:

From: nimmos waweru
Subject: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption – Stop
Pointing Fingers
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:51 PM

@Judy Miriga
Dont defend Raila ..Kibaki and Raila are equally useless in this coalition government.Kibaki is very selfish he likes to maintain power at expense of poor Kenyans who are promised heaven but he cant even deliver hell.Raila is selfish hungry and greedy for more power than Prime minister’s power,to a point such that he forgot to consider anyone else even to his ODM counter parts .When he became a PM he was exposed to power he kept quiet meaning for a while and forgot all he promised about reforms.Raila is only intrested to seek for himselve.To be honest in Kenya i dont think we have anyone who is intrested with Kenya at heart…Look at corruption in Kenya today Kibaki is supposed to sack and prosecute all those mentioned in impunity…but how can he do that when Wako is sitting on files protecting his corrupt intrest too. in the same government he leads??Gicheru should go and all judicially should be overhaulled..Ruto,for maize and 20007 killings should be in jail by now…Saitoti should be in jail for goldenburg scandal,Kiraitu should be ready to stand for anglo leasing scandal…Ndungu land commission should be implemented as to return all stolen government land to people…. As we speak the international world want to assists and return all stolen money bank from Switzerland Bank but now the question is where is the government will power??Look at Angloleasing case already we have the witness arrested in US ..US is willing to assist the Kenya government in prosecution but where government is the will power. Why cant Raila pinpoint those issues instead of focus seeking for power for himself only..he should understand that that is where his full popularity will come from among all Kenyans if he is willing to sacrifice for all Kenyans and for sure he can be supported by all Kenyans regardless the tribe differences…Unless the Kenyans unite and realise they are used by politicians for their gain,and use the voting power to throw this people out of gorvenment in future elections Kenya remains in hands of this hungry hyenas,Kenyans politicians dont care the welfare,or peace or development of the country.

— On Sun, 4/5/09, jbatec . . . wrote:

From: jbatec@ . . .
Subject: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption – Stop Pointing Fingers
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:50 AM

Folks,

When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila could have done when he was denied his fair share of the signed agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the coalition government by those who stole election at gun point. He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, all powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohorts with Cartels. Kibaki with cartels took complete control of Government machinery. In truth Raila and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the boat a float, although they faults here and there, the storm at sea did not let them float in calmness as they steer awaiting fate from who knows where. Because of peace and the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki even after the glory for winning election was stolen from him and with the majority elected officials in ODM

compared to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You the Kyuks humbled him on his knees to plead for your favour at your mercy. Who gave Kalonzo Musyoka, Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against the signed agreement? Why do you guys act like chameleons?

So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or you are feared. In selfish, Kenya is no more………BUT we will not let it fall apart. We now know you cannot change without force. Your selfishness is deep skin.

To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in your mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him not to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being dented by them, he was already spiritually and moraly demoralized and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort. We know it……

The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work together with the rest of Kenyans at peace in harmony calling a spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts and Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples from the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be.

Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have given Kenya their fair share of peace by giving in and adjustments letting Kikuyus stay in power a second chance. Raila could have been Moses only if he could have been given a chance, who knows, we could have said truely, Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership. But now on this one I choose to disagree with you. Raila ana madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo sikatai. Lakini you guys are too much……..

What is destroying the majority of Kikuyus is GLUTTONNESS and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, lakini kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima itatumiwa. Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have gone through all this years painfully. Kwani Mt. Kenya Mafia no Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us.

Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia connections and businesses internationally. And we know, majority of who joined extremists slanderers Republican to smear and finish President Obama. It is useless you are all chasing the wind………..however much you pretend, we know it and stop pretending. You are haters…….. You all need reform from within………REPENT your sins……………..stop pretending…………..and stop jumping like frogs here and there trying to be saints……..you can sing like Angels, but we dont care anymore unless you change…..Kenya will pay all you looted from them in generation to come. But Mungu si Athmani……….It will be history for generation to come………..Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu na Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au tajiri……..Mungu anatazama ROHO ya binadamu.

We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or not, whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes Airport to Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or Kibaki is the King……….you like it or not……..we will not take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future and livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans and ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will be included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be clothed, except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, the way it gets him nuts……
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Shame on you people………although the word shame, glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even bother you, you need fresh anointing from Heaven………

If you want a bitter truth, you get it……..

Thanks,

Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com

— On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau wrote:

From: john kamau
Subject: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption
Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM

God Help Kenya,,
With people like you, Replicating the events of the last election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau just as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you are not whatever ethnic community you come from.. Demanding that Kibaki resigns appears to have escaped most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow tribal antics which I have not intention of taking part in.

It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who has betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not done as much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each other on tribal bases.

If you and me can do this, can go this far , how about our brothers and sisters who have not benefited from both academic, and international exposure. They wait to hear you and me interpret National and political issue in order to form an opinion and act towards what ever direction you and me guide them. and this appears to be our contribution….. am so sorry.

— On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale wrote:

From: martin njalale
Subject: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption
Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM

Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more if u were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but wait a minute.All u people from the central part of kenya will castigate anybody from other regions other than ur own. Lets look at who has done or said what.

The Judiciary………Raila says it should be reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot of u from central keep quite.

Mau Forest ……….Same scenario

Airport………………..Same

Tribal Bonding……….same

Migingo………………..Shutting up adds to the
same
scenario if it was populated by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would be there

I come from Bungoma District where Raila has never had a lot of support but unless the central click change their attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective rather than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy what u are saying and the likes of Raila will draw support.Think talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau history will repeat itself.

So stop cheating ur self

— On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau wrote:

From: John Kamau
Subject: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption
Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM

Kibaki /Raila, on corruption.
It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the two

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principals and especially Raila who’s prime Ministers position was created through the strong support of the International community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa’ngs in his team. While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft:

The international community should now apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution… It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya will be on the auction list. Look at the rate in which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab world.

Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com