from Judy Miriga
Folks,
With this kind of exposure from ICC Hague, the coalition government in both the leadership of Kibaki and Raila is shaken. ………
I wonder how Muthaura will continue with Public Service under Government Administration and Police watch without intimidating and tampering with evidences…….”The Cattle is calling back to roost”…….
Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
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— On Mon, 9/26/11, reasoning kenyan wrote:
From: reasoning kenyan
Subject: Re: DID THE GOVERNMENT WANT CIVIL WAR or WAS PREPAIRING FOR, IN 2007/2008
In this I submit kibaki failed miserably to protect kenyans and should answer to crimes of ommison and neglect of duties, resulting in deaths of so many. I believe is why he is mainly a ceremonial president, who even the police don’t listen to. when is the last time you saw a presidential directive complied with? In effect he has no moral authority because he doesn’t even believe he is worthy being the president, as a result, he is just whiling time at state house ..
since he was sworn in, he has done nothing but appear at official functions ..
if this theory is true, who then is it that exercises executive presidential powers?
..just theorising
On 9/26/11, obed nyaribo wrote:
Evans,
When the chaos erupted there was a government in place and Mr Kibaki had been sworn in as Kenyan President and he had said he will protect all kenyan according to the constitution that existed then. Therefore, let us not entertain side shows, Mr Kibaki must answer why he did not protect Kenyans from the thugs and gangsters. He had powers to declare a state of emergency, detain all opposition leaders, deploy the police, GSU and the army. Kenyans want Kibaki to answer and apologize to Kenyans for not protecting innocent Kenyans.
Obed
— On Mon, 9/26/11, Evans MACHERA wrote:
From: Evans MACHERA
Subject: Re: DID THE GOVERNMENT WANT CIVIL WAR or WAS PREPAIRING FOR, IN 2007/2008
Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 1:27 AM
Paul,
Definitely we had a government.There is no time the office of the president has ever been vacant,and government arms and functionaries operated without officers.
During the KICC fiasco,Major Ali was passing by,and no salutes flung from the officers in uniforms as expected.Labda they didn’t know nor recognize him! Or what do we say!
Evans MACHERA.
— On Sun, 9/25/11, paul nyandoto wrote:
From: paul nyandoto
Subject: DID THE GOVERNMENT WANT CIVIL WAR or WAS PREPAIRING FOR, IN 2007/2008
Date: Sunday, September 25, 2011, 10:04 PM
Kenyans;
All knows that the events of PEV in 2007/2008 are very hard to narrate, but one thing is clear. There was a government in Kenya which was sworn in at night in the dark, which even some foreign countries like Uganda recognised and congratulated. BUT this same government did not protect people, instead of sending policemen to protect people in the rift valley, or Nyanza or Coastal they removed all uniforms from the police men and gave it to mungiki to do police men`s job. Our old constitution also states very clearly that the former government is to remain in power during transition until a new government is takes over. So we had a government in place in the PEV 2007/2008.
WHAT WAS THEIR MOTIVE BY GIVING MUNGIKI POLICE UNIFORM??. WHY DIDN`T THE POLICE DO THE JOB THEMSELVES??, Was Kenya already in a civil war which we do not know about or were they prepairing already for a civil war indirectly?. Infact those are points that even if Hague does not convict the suspects, we Kenyans should ask and should be clearly answered for a trust to exist again in the country.
I hope you do not call this a proactive; it is not pushy, not aggressive, or insensitive thought either; i think this is just a smart and value driven reality that we must think about as an alternative motive some kenyans might have had in mind by swooping police men with criminals. I have heard how people narrate the events of 1982 coup how so and so did this and that. Where do you group people who overtake GSU and police men and put their own army on the streets; is it a coup detat or peaceful transition??.
Paul Nyandoto
subjectSorry It Goofed…….. Muthaura under the spotlight
Kenya: Muthaura’s First Order of Business When He Returns From the Hague
Kwamchetsi Makokha
23 September 2011
opinion
As soon as the Head of the Public Service and Secretary to the Cabinet, Mr Francis Muthaura, returns home from the confirmation of charges hearings in The Hague, he will need to take urgent administrative actions.
Laws have been broken, regulations disregarded and rules disobeyed. Claims by the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court that Kenyan civil servants spoke to him about the election violence are very alarming.
Mr Luis Moreno-Ocampo needs some lessons on how government works. It cannot do for him to go around Kenyan law and obtain government information illegally. Mr Moreno-Ocampo once sought statements from the security chiefs who were in charge of the violence hotspots.
The government, being committed to fully cooperating with the ICC, appointed Justice Kalpana Rawal to take evidence from anyone who had anything to say. Mr Moreno-Ocampo had no stomach for procedure and abandoned the entire enterprise in haste.
Instead, he went behind the law and spoke to government officials in total disregard on Kenya’s Official Secrets Act. It appears that some people in the civil service forgot that Kenyan law still applies to their actions.
They went to the bush and started spreading rumours about government officials’ intelligence activities targeting outlawed criminal organisations like the Mungiki.
An internal inquiry, perhaps starting at the KNCHR and spreading to the NSIS and the Judiciary — which have been liberally mentioned at The Hague — should expose the traitors who blatantly disregarded the law in talking to the ICC investigators about retaliatory attacks, violence and other rumours.
As a result, the Postmaster General, Maj-Gen Mohammed Hussein Ali, who served the country valiantly saving lives during the post-election violence, is facing charges of murder, rape, persecution and forcible transfer of the population. It is a cross he bears jointly with Mr Muthaura and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta.
Mr Muthaura must institute immediate investigations to find out which civil servants spoke to the ICC chief prosecutor before panning out to net the other unemployed Kenyans who have been talking to foreigners about the country’s internal affairs without clearance. One must have proper authority to access, hold or disclose an official secret.
In the forthcoming inquiry, it would help Kenyans to know that anyone who “knowingly harbours any person … who is about to commit or has committed an offence” under the Official Secrets Act; could be locked up for five years.
According to civil service procedures, anyone under investigation for serious offences such as these should be interdicted, suspended from duty at half pay and barred from accessing any more official documents.
When the ridiculous charges against Mr Muthaura, Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ali are dismissed, as they ultimately will, there should be hell to pay all round.
Civil Society Wants Ocampo to Investigate Police
Beatrice Ndunda
22 September 2011
Activists wants the Kenya Police Service investigated over the post election violence. The activists under the coalition for ICC says ICC prosecutor Moreno Ocampo ignored crimes allegedly committed by police during his investigations into the chaos.
They also want Ocampo to press for charges touching on Kibera and Kisumu or ask the government investigate into police killings.
Hirondelle News Agency (Lausanne)