From: Kevin Makori <>
Date: Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Subject: NYC Re: PEV- THE LOCAL COURTS, THE WAY TO GO!
Musau et al,
I am not condorning murder! No, No. All I am saying is that let us have an independent minded people to form a strong judicial system so that the PEV are tried and punished locally rather than the so called ICC. Honestly most Kenyans do not understand where they stand in the eyes of a mzungu. Have you ever asked yourself why it is only Africa where the western world has to step in pretending to be helping while knowing secretly what they want from the continent? Why hasnt Africa never stepped in any western country to try and help? Why do we have conflicts in Africa only, or in the Arab world. Look at the countries in Africa embroded in civil wars, are they not those countries with sufficient and valuable natural resources? Let us not overlook the trueth. Nobody likes death in whichever way it occurs, more so on the PEV.
— On Sat, 8/1/09, Thomas Musau <> wrote:
From: Thomas Musau <>
Subject: NYC Re: PEV- THE LOCAL COURTS, THE WAY TO GO!
Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 2:22 AM
Makori et al,
If you prefer killing ourselves to protect our sovereignity then I that is entirely upto you my brother. But if you lost a relative through PEV, the prospect of saying we continue losing lives to achieve democracy sounds as archaic as primitive especially when we have a more modest way of doing things.
Hague is not a white institution and as signatories and funders of this international institution, we should make use of it and make people be aware that buying their way round in Kenya does not mean they are indispensable.
But one thing I tell you is that our inefficiency in ruling ourselves comes from many factors- part of which is to do with our system of government which is entirely borrowed from the western world. We cannot say we will overhaul that system for the sake of sovereignity because doing that is allianating ourselves from the international community.
They say if you can’t beat them join them. We can not claim soveighnity when half of our resources are being embezzled by the same Kenyans you want them to make any meaningful changes.
The system works right for those in power and the only way Kenya will achieve democracy is through partnering with the rest of the world and force change. That is how multi-party democracy which is already losing meaning came into being.
Without this you will have to wait for many years to come.
If you refuse to be part of the global village
Blessed is the person who endureth temptation; for when he is tried,he shall receive the crown of life. Holy Bible,James 1:12
— On Fri, 31/7/09, Kevin Makori <> wrote:
From: Kevin Makori <>
Subject: NYC Re: PEV- THE LOCAL COURTS, THE WAY TO GO!
Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 5:16 PM
The western world are not the right people to start trying people from Africa and other parts of the world. Let us remember that the black man has been aslave to these white folks who are trying to behave holy than thou now. They are the ones who have brought alot of conflict in the entire continent of Africa, right from the slaverly of the 17th centuary to date. Slaverly never ended as it is perceived my brothers and sisters, it is there in silence. Why should we stand before a white man to be tried? Let us clean our vomit locally and move on. Democracy comes through blood shed and lose of lives. Remember the Western world have had a history of killing people on racial issues up to the 19th centuary and the first and second world wars killed millions and millions of people. Kenya should be left alone to sort out it’s mess. We are agrowing democracy. We have actually done very well within forty six years. The PEV should be tried locally, the judicially be overhauled and let he MPS be serious, reasonable, leave tribalism, corruption and greedy. Let us learn to sort out our problems.
— On Fri, 7/31/09, BENSON MAISORI <> wrote:
From: BENSON MAISORI <>
Subject: NYC PEV- THE LOCAL COURTS, THE WAY TO GO!
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 6:18 AM
This may sound like a lone voice in the wilderness but like John the Baptist of the old, Kenyans have to listen, for the way of the Lord is being prepared. In my argument in the Eagle Weekly newspaper of today 31st July 2009 I had actually vehemently and spiritedly put my case for a local tribunal for very passionate reasons I hold so dear to my heart.
The Merchants of Violence must face justice here in Kenya not because our country may be, as our leaders have been putting it, trading our sovereignty with the international community but because for heaven sake we have a chance to reform our own judicial system.
Many a pundit have rightfully dismissed the local judicial system as barren and incompetent and therefore unreliable in the dispensation of justice. I cannot agree with them more! However, anyone who has a business mind will always tell you that every challenge that comes their way is an opportunity to reap capital and open new avenues of profits. In the political and governance circles we must borrow this illustration to take advantage of situation such as the Post Election Violence to reform our judiciary. Of course the immediate question that arises from those who are cynical of this prospect is the who and the how to this especially under the current political arrangements with the political will almost nil. But first let me state my case.
Historians and Political Scientists will agree with me that the countries under whose pressure we are to import justice from the international community were worse than us at our age-46years. In comparative analysis we are far better than Britain and the USA. Britain for example being the oldest democracy in the world and having signed the Magna Carter of 1250AD did not realize that it was a crime not only of international magnitude but also against humanity and God the creator to entrench human slave trade. It was in 1873 that the Britons discovered that what they were doing was injustice to humanity. The colonial history is even worse and I do not have to repeat it here because it may force tears out of me. On 4th July 1776 the USA discovered that all men were born equal and continued to be so in the eyes of their creator and so declared their independence from the British. But reality to them did not include the rights of the women and much less for the black race. This had to happen albeit through sustained bitter struggle in 1964, almost 200 years later. How sad then that these people should be on our necks prescribing for us herbs and forcing the same down the throats of political arrangements. How sad that most of us, actually 68% have found themselves culprits of the options so given. My point is that at our age we are far much better than these boys and girls of the international community. And we are doing good and we may not be perfect but we are headed for the right direction.
Back to the question of who and how. Again borrowing from the the USA, it is us the citizens in a structured manner that we can help redeem our country. The civil society, trade unions, student organizations and religious groups must unite and summon an insummountable and sustained pressure on the government to reform the judiciary. Do not say it was done by the young Turks and it failed. What people like Willy Mutunga, Mukhisa Kituyi, George Anyona, James Orengo, Paul Muite and lot did was a good political job but we have to agree that it was never finished. We have come from far and we know we have a long way to go. Hope is the last thing we can afford to lose. Remember the Civil Rights Movements in the USA led by Martin Luther Carmicail and Malcom X? That is the kind of pressure we must put on the government to reform the judiciary. The Hague cannot and will never be a solution to our problems. Furthermore whatever step we take in dispensing justice has an international ramification and Kenya having designed our foreign policy to suit economic interests we may never achieve our goals because capital is wary of a relaxed system of justice. This is the time for Kenya to demonstrate to the world that we are incharge of our own affairs and have the will and abilty to answer any call from any angle political or otherwise.
Let us unite and pressure the government to reform the judiciary even us we seek justice for the victims of PEV.
Benson Maisori