From: Rhoune Willis
Date: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: FIRST FRUITS
Victoria,
Thanks for making things clearer. You put it across so clearly like a thousand wise men put together. We need such wisdom in this forum.
Kind regards,
Rhoune Willis
— On Thu, 9/3/09, Victoria Kioko wrote:
From: Victoria Kioko
Subject: Re: FIRST FRUITS
Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 3:04 AM
Dear All,
For some time I ignored you all in this issue for none of you is wrong, and neither of you is right in your spiritual or physical understanding of Tithing.
If you all read the Scripture and seek God’s guidance for both understanding and discernment, you will Tithe but not where your Tithe does not go to the Lord’s Purposes but to enrich an individual. And neither does the inverted Tithing systems I see in many of our churches today reflect the spiritual or physical purposes as per Scripture.
So pray so that in obedience to the Lord, You Tithe:
But not where the Tithe is going to the building of an individual’s bank account and wealth, while those who bring the Tithe including yourself are squatters in slums, with hungry and unschooled children, unable to access medical care etc. That’s is an embarrassment to Scripture. Do not tell me that I should close my eyes to this destructive inverted form of presenting and representing Scripture for the Spirit of God is Alive to give me Wisdom, Knowledge, Piety, Understanding, Courage, and two other Gifts that I have forgotten. Such tithing does not meet the two greatest commandments of loving God with all your soul, heart, mind, body AND loving your neighbour as thyself.
But on the other hand, just because your Pastor does not seem to understand the Purpose of the Tithe, and is busy building his bank accounts and acquiring for himself and his family all the wealth on earth, You cannot run away from Tithing. INSTEAD, RUN AWAY FROM THAT INSTITUTION OR SHALL WE CALL IT YOUR PASTOR’S COMPANY? GO TO A CHURCH THAT DOES MEET THE LORD’s PURPOSE AND DO YOUR TITHING THERE.
IF NONE OF THE ABOVE MAKES SENSE, IDENTIFY THE SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL THOUSANDS OF PURPOSES SURROUNDING YOU THAT EXPLAINS TO YOU WHY THE LORD CALLS US ALL TO TITHE AND PUT YOUR TITHE THERE DIRECTLY.
THE LORD WILL SURELY BLESS YOU!
Vicky
Subject: Re: FIRST FRUITS
From: Albert_Kochei@ . . .
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:04:57 +0300
Hi all
Thanks.Kindly note that everything that takes place in the physical has a spiritual implications.In other words nothing takes place in the physical without being birth in the spiritual realms.
Rgds
Baraka Tele
Albert
“….When it rains,all Birds fly for shelter,But the Eagle alone avoids the rain by flying across the clouds,Problem is common to ALL but ATTITUDE makes the difference”
Sent 03 Sep 2009 10:25 AM
Subject Re: FIRST FRUITS
Thanks Flo, you’ve said it all and Albert for the elaborate approach.
Bless you all.
Tony.
From: Florence Ndungu
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: re: FIRST FRUITS
There is nothing as difficult as trying to explain the importance of tithe to a person who isnt saved. Once you have Jesus in your life, tithe comes natural and such arguments seize. Why don’t we take one step at a time and get to know Jesus first. He is the way the truth and the life and through Him we have eternal life. I beseech you brethren to seek Him now before its too late, call on Him to save you and He shall do so. Let’s not take for granted the fact that Jesus died for us so that we have eternal life. Call on Him while He might be found, it will reach a point in time where people will be so tormented they will call Him and He wont answer, tusifike hapo tafadhalini… May God bless you and reveal himself to you as you seek his face.
Peace..
Regards
Florence N.
From:Rhoune Willis
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: FIRST FRUITS
Hi All,
I know so well that the word of God says that I should pay my Tithes and give a love offering. I totally agree with the word of God. My problem is, should I pay while I know this money only makes one individual rich? the same word of God teaches me to act with wisdom.
Where is my wisdom when I pay my tithes that only one person benefits from all this money? instead of being channeled to do the work of God?
Christians let us not be duped and taken for granted because the word of God says, we read the same word of God to become wise, It is my daily prayer that I become wiser than Solomon.
Let us be wise and say no to corruption in the House of God. We will not become less christians by correcting wrongs in our churches. What I will not buy is just pay no matter what it is used for.
The Bible says that only those who work hard should be let to eat. Why should I work hard and let somebody eat my sweat? just like that? Not possible. I would rather pay my tithes to a church that uses it to touch the hearts of the unfortunate in society instead of enriching an individuals.
Christians lets stand for the truth for the Bible teaches us to be truthful. Lets stop pretending while we condone evil and bad in the House of God.
Kind regards,
Rhoune Willis
— On Wed, 9/2/09, SAMUEL MAINA wrote:
From: SAMUEL MAINA
Subject: Re: FIRST FRUITS
Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 6:57 AM
Hi Pastor Albert,
I don’t know why many pastors don’t elaborate or guide their flocks well on the subject of Tithes, cos many people think it’s a fabrication of the Pastors to make money using the WORD of GOD. Can you please enlighten their congregations on the subject of TITHES, cos nobody has explained what Tithe is all about? I thought Florence would but she didn’t.
Thanx
Maina.
— On Wed, 9/2/09, Albert_Kochei@wvi.org wrote:
From: Albert_Kochei@ . . .
Subject: Re: FIRST FRUITS
Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 2:49 AM
The Word of God is not about whether it is true or not!It is the WHOLE ABSOLUTE THRUTH.People may misuse it for their own selfish gains,but that does not reduce its truthfulness.The desire of God for humankind is that all may be saved.Satan comes to confuse and at the end of the road, stills,kills and destroy.Jesus came to give life and in abundance.As a minister of the Word of God, it is wise to let all you people know that each one of us will present him/herself before the Throne of God for Judgement, and we shall be called upon to account for all that we deeds.As to those who squander the cash, they too will get their portion of judgement!!
Let me take you through what the Bible says about Tithes…….”In Tithes and offerings.You are under a curse-the whole nation of you-because you are robbing me.Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse that there may be food in my house.Test me in this,says the LORD Almighty,and see if i will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so mcuh blesisngs that you will not have room enogh for it….”Malachi 3:8-12
Dear people, let us give our Tithes not as man’s obligation but rather because God has commanded us to do so.The Lord requires us to do only one thing-OBEY.Many people may not be obeying but if YOU take the word of God as it is,your life will truly be never thesame again!!!
Rgds and May the Word of God Inform all your actions.
“….When it rains,all Birds fly for shelter,But the Eagle alone avoids the rain by flying across the clouds,Problem is common to ALL but ATTITUDE makes the difference”
“Florence Ndungu”
Sent 02 Sep 2009 07:33 AM
Subject Re: FIRST FRUITS
Morning all,
The bible speaks clearly about tithes and offerings in the book of malachia 3;10. (Just read the whole of chapter 3) please let us not be deceived people, God commands us to tithe! It is a command like any other lets not sugar coat this and think that we can cover it up by doing charity and all, there isn’t any substitute of that… what the preachers do with the tithe is their problem. They are supposed to use it for God’s work but if they miss use it then that isn’t your problem. You have done your part as far as your concerned and God knows that if these guys squander the cash they will answer to God!!! so don’t say you wont tithe coz the preachers are squandering your cash that isn’t an excuse and I wonder how you will explain that to God during judgment.. Lets be wise people, not in our own ways but read the word of God and understand what He expects from us. Preachers moving to Nairobi and preaching about cash is just the beginning, we are living in the last days people and more drama is yet to come.
That is my take. God bless y’all.
Regards
Florence N.
From: Rhoune Willis
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: re: FIRST FRUITS
Hi Solomon and Susan,
Thanks for addressing the issue of accountability. Can you please do the same to the other issues I raised? Why are preachers moving to Nairobi? about tithes? first fruits? do the Preachers who run the Ministries tithe? and to who?
I believe we have men and women of God here, why are they quiet? Pastor Birai please say something.
Kind regards,
Rhoune Willis
— On Tue, 9/1/09, susan gichuhi wrote:
From: susan gichuhi
Subject: Re: FIRST FRUITS
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 2:21 AM
Thanks Solomon, you have echoed what i wanted to reply and say, I have been worshiping there since 2003 and have every reason to recomend anyone. The gospel is preached as it is. Any one looking for a church, any NPC will do
From: Solomon Ojoo
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:55:40 PM
Subject: Re: FIRST FRUITS
I MOVED FROM ONE CHURCH TO THE OTHER LOOKING FOR ACCOUNTABLE CHURCH WHICH DOES NOT PREACH PROSPERITY GOSPEL AND DOES NOT FLEEZE THE CONGREGATION.
MY SEARCH CAME TO REST WHEN I FELLOSHIPED AT NPC – VALLEY ROAD.
KINDLY TRY IT AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN AUDITED ACCOUNTS ON HOW YOUR TITHES AND OFFERINGS WERE USED AT THE ENDD OF EVERY ACCOUNTING YEAR.
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From: Rhoune Willis
Date: 31/08/2009 17:52:37
Subject: Re: FIRST FRUITS
Hi,
Thanks to Carol for bringing up this for discussion. I have been disturbed about giving my tithe. To be sincerely, I dont tithe yet I attend a church that preaches alot about tithing and givng first fruits.
I want Pastors, Bishops, Apostles and other church leaders in this forum to address this issue.
At times I feel guilty, but then I console myself that I would rather do my donation to the less fortunate than tithe. Why? because for example in my church, there is no transparency and accountability, yet this is a leading church in Nairobi. We have never been told how much has been collected by the church an how much has been spent.
We give for everything, when there is a conference, wedding, to support the needy, to support invited guest preachers name it. We also give our first fruits, which I did not give this year. Reasons, I dont know for now. Maybe the conviction is still lacking in me.
Many preachers are now in CHURCH BUSINESS. Have you wondered why most preachers are moving from Mombasa and Nakuru to be based in Nairobi? They HaVe realised alot of money is in Nairobi and they need to get this easy come money. This is so sad. How the church of God has been turned into a house of making quick money. Why do you think every preachr is now fighting to have her Ministry? So that nobody questions how they spend the money. They elect a church board that is loyal to what they say and want.
We are asked to give for everything and anything. Because the bible says “Give and it shall come back to you good measures pressed down shaken together and running over” It is now like we have to buy blessings from God. This is so sad, I wonder who will bring sanity back to he church.
Our church leaders have been compromised, they grab public property t build their churches, thus making them saves of thegovernment, they cannot then speak of government ills, they fail to provide leadership when a country is about to go for a refurendum and during elections thus leaving the flock to be attacked by hyenas. They have failed.
We elect tem on the promise they will bring sanity and the cange we want in our parliament, yet when they go there, they re compromised and behave like the rest. Either we pray that God comes down to help us or we will remain suffering in the snares these so called church leaders.
Be watchful!
Kind regards,
Rhoune Willis
— On Mon, 8/31/09, Solomon Ojoo wrote:
From: Solomon Ojoo
Subject: Re: FIRST FRUITS
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 6:42 AM
HII CAROL.
The bible is very clear on giving.
Tithe is directly 10% of the gross and there is no argument about it whether you are saved or not. Read Malachi 3:
Giving is according to the way you feel.
I do not think God is that unreasonable that He may expect you to give your full salary and remain with nothing for your upkeep. How do you give all your salary on the confusion with the first fruit.
But if you are convicted that you give your whole salary, then that should be a personal conviction and it must be a special one. After giving your whole salary, will you tell your landlord that you cannot pay rent? Will you tell matatu tout that you cannot pay fare or petrol attendant that you will not pay for the fuel etc.
Kindly give 10% of your gross earnings up front as the first fruit and give offerings as the spirit leads you. Do not count what you help people with as part of the tithe, that is giving.
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From: ABBY OTIENOr
Date: 31/08/2009 16:04:26
Subject: FIRST FRUITS
Hi Wanabidii and the pastors in the hse!
i would like you to enlighten me about first fruit. I know its biblical, but is it right to give all ur salary ama just a portion of it, this has been confusing me becoz i was told if i dont give the whole amount of my salary then God wil not be happy and i dont think i want to annoy my God.
Someone please help me here
Carol