22 thoughts on “Thanks for Banning me from KPTJ”

1. Charles Makakala Jr November 20, 2009 at 6:03 pm

   Dear Omtatah,
    
   Thank you for standing up against the Homosexuality ideology. I also like your writing style- and I am not at all surprised that L. Muthoni Wanyeki decided to ban you from ‘her’ forum. It is technically an attempt to silence you, the method of operation that the Homosexual Camp has used proficiently and to devastating effects everywhere it has been given a foothold.
    
   A little research would reveal numerous examples of Pastors in the West being taken to court because they said something against Homosexuality from their pulpits. It is becoming illegal to argue against homosexuality. One example:
    
    “Listen, homosexual activists won’t stop at recognition, their aim is domination. Speaking of Scandinavia, Swedish Pastor Eke Green was arrested for using God’s Word to preach on the sin of homosexuality. Hate crimes legislation is being applied to sermons on homosexuality which are being regarded as hate speech. So sodomy has not only come out of the closet and into the classrooms, into the Congress, into the Cabinet, but it is now coming into our churches demanding special recognition and rights.”
    
   It is a Human Rights issue to campaign FOR Homosexuality and Lesbianism but not AGAINST. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion- these are all poor victims of the homosexuality movement. So much for Human Rights and L. Muthoni Wanyeki ‘leadership’!
    
   Homosexuality is wrong not only because it is a sin (for those abiding to religious perspectives) but also because it is UNNATURAL. There is something grotesque about a man making out with a man!
    
   God help us all,
    
   Charles.
2. Kehancha Kehancha November 20, 2009 at 6:05 pm

   Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:12 AM

   Dear Omtatah,
   Truely I am pleased with you, refusing to be dragged into supporting the ideology of secularism (with it homosexuality). Surely, it is encouraging to know that we still have people who think straight. You said it well .. there is a new “culture” that seeks to “kill God” or at minimum push Him (God) out of human life. Where are we going? Where are the Muthoni take us?
3. Amani Kerege November 20, 2009 at 7:22 pm

   What a pity for Africans to fight for homosexuality. Must we really copy everything western? Can’t we have our own moral principles and standards even if we are poor?

   I am disgusted by any attempts to legalise homosexuality. It is against human nature. Even animals don’t do it!! Have you ever wondered how low humans want to stoop? God forbid.
4. george omburo November 20, 2009 at 8:14 pm

   Dear MS L Wanyeki;

   You have misguide your priority. Please refocus your effort and responsibility as Director of this organization to effectively serve more pressing issues KHRC is charged with. Homosexuality is not one of them.

   Omburo
5. TEKERE JELULE November 20, 2009 at 11:12 pm

   If you are not aware, the Sodomites are out for a vengeance! Poor ignorant Africans! Our way of life will never be the same, we are a copy cat creatures, without any intelligence to reason or see what is wrong. Ms Muthoni demonstrates it quite well!

   Second, this group gets money from the sodomites-Western organizations, they are required to keenly push for their agenda.

   Poor Mr. Okoiti, welcome to dog house brother, you are not alone! A miss California, Carrie Prejean, 2009, can attest to it! She was fired and her character assassinated.

   When asked by judge Perez Hilton, an openly gay gossip blogger, whether she believed in gay marriage, Miss California, Carrie Prejean, said,

   “We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite. And you know what, I think in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that’s how I was raised.”

   Keith Lewis, who runs the Miss California competition, tells FOXNews.com that he was “saddened” by Prejean’s statement.

   “As co-director of the Miss California USA, I am personally saddened and hurt that Miss California believes marriage rights belong only to a man and a woman,” said Lewis in a statement. “I believe all religions should be able to ordain what unions they see fit. I do not believe our government should be able to discriminate against anyone and religious beliefs have no politics in the Miss California family”.

   You have not yet seen ” MIUJIZA! ” and believe me no GOD will save you, Kenya or the World. The SODOMESE are here to stay!

   Pole sana!

   Tekere
6. Kobunga Onyango November 21, 2009 at 1:49 pm

   Wa!!!!!! I am shocked that people can get removed from discussion forums because of their opinions. I am not a religious person parse but it matters to me that morality as we know it is being thrown out the window by the likes of Muthoni Wanyeki.

   Secularism or not, every line of thought has to have some limit,I am fed up with sexed-up ideologies crying for recognition. Nice work Mr. Omtatah
7. Niocodemus Eatlawe November 21, 2009 at 5:24 pm

   Dear All,

   I may not have grasped the whole discussion but I have a comment to make regarding this abomination.

   Although many talk about real doers, but my concern is about thinkers. We all agree that practice of homosexuality is socially immoral and religiously sinful! No discussion about that. My main concern is about this unseen category of homosexuals. Those who are homosexual psychologically and spiritually! Those who advocate for it although, may not be engaged physically. These are also homosexuals. Anyone advocating for human rights including right to homosexuality should be termed as homosexual himself/herself.

   Why do I say so? Just like those who believe in Marxism are called Marxists. Those who advocate for capitalism are called capitalists, similarly those who support homosexualism are homosexuals. Those who sympathize with them are equally homosexuals.

   As a Christian, I will always proclaim the truth and truth only at any cost. I will never support even if the whole world stands against me. The only thing they can get from me is prayer of mercy, and if they repent, they can be forgiven! That is all. May God have mercy on both those who practice and advocate for it!
8. Yona Msuya November 21, 2009 at 5:59 pm

   The Bible condemns homosexuality.

   It is NOT our job to criticize and condemn homosexuals; HOWEVER, it is our duty as Christians to proclaim the message of the Word of God that HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. We must preach against the sin; but not condemn the sinner.

   Only God has the right to condemn anyone. Even Jesus said He didn’t come into the world to condemn people; but He clearly stated that His Word (i.e., God’s Word) will judge the wicked… “And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day” (John 12:47,48). The Word of God condemns all men as guilty sinners (Romans 3:19).

   Do you see the difference?

   Sodomites (as the Bible calls them), like to accuse us Christians of
   being judgmental. On the contrary, it is God who has already judged
   the sin of homosexuality and has condemned it.

   All sinners (like myself) will stand before God someday and give account for their life (Romans 14:12). All men are sinners (Romans 3:10). God says that homosexuality (sodomy) is an abomination. An “abomination” in the
   Bible is something that God “intensely hates.” God loves people so
   much that He sent His only begotten Son Jesus Christ to die upon the
   cross for our sins (John 3:16); but God equally hates sin with a
   passion, to the point that His holiness will not allow anyone to
   escape the consequences of their actions (1st Corinthians 6:9,10).

   God loves sinners with an unconditional love that no amount of sin can
   undo…

   “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
   whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting
   life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
   but that the world through him might be saved.” —John 3:16-17

   Jesus died for us sinners…

   “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet
   sinners, Christ died for us.” —Romans 5:8

   If you are a homosexual, I do NOT judge you. Jesus Himself DIDN’T come
   into the world to condemn anyone. Jesus didn’t need to do so because
   the Bible already condemns us all as guilty undeserving sinners…

   ” Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them
   who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the
   world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law
   there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the
   knowledge of sin.” —Romans 3:19,20

   Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible (Leviticus 20:13; Romans
   1:22-32; 1st Corinthians 6:9,10; Jude 1:7). Let every believer speak
   out against the evils of homosexuality in society today, for it is our
   responsibility…

   “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but
   rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things
   which are done of them in secret.” —Ephesians 5:11,12

   And again we read in the Old Testament…

   “Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up
   for me against the workers of iniquity?” —Psalm 94:16

   What homosexuals want is for Christians to remain completely silent
   while they establish a society of wickedness…

   “Woe to him that buildeth a town with blood, and stablisheth a city by
   iniquity!” (Habakkuk 2:12).

   I do NOT hate anyone. I love people with God’s unconditional love,
   because they are people for whom Christ was willing to die. Who am I
   to judge? However, I am obligated as a Christian to speak out against
   the sin and evil.
9. Richard Mabala November 21, 2009 at 6:01 pm

   I do not wish to enter this particular debate but for the sake of a true record, many animal species do actually show homosexual behaviour (see Wikipedia).
10. Robert Alai November 21, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Richard

    The Wikipedia which you worship is written by you and me. Dont bring
    Wikipedia where people are arguing ndugu yangu. Do you know that
    countries like Zimbabwe, China and Venezuela have been actively
    editing Wikipedia and even fully filtering its content to skew the
    truth?

    Another thing guys, I dont need Muthoni Wanyeki’s permission to speak
    against anything and KPTJ has a reach below 300 active emails. Thats
    pathetic and one thing she doesn’t know is that, she doesnt have that
    much knowledge on content filtering so, tutapambana huo pia. And does it surprise you that Muthoni is a dog barking for Makau Mutua who
    insulted certain tribes in Kenya as having mental problems? Is that a
    person I should even be giving my time?

    Back to Mabala. Ndugu. Its simple. What Wikipedia is talking about, if
    you must read it and take it to be the absolute truth, is what you and
    me should have seen. Is your dog homosexual, who in this list has seen
    an homosexual pig, dog, cat, cattle, chimpanze, monkey, hyena and all? If not, hao wanyama wasenge wako wapi ndugu zanguni? Tusija tukaamini propaganda za wasenge na tukadhani kwamba uwehu ni sawa.

    Hata panya na kombamwiko hawawezi kuonyesha tabia za kisenge. Its a fact and I dont need to accep homosexuals to be seen to be civilised
    and to fit. I dont want to fit it thats what it takes to fit.

    Omtatah, Aluta Continua and we dont need anybody’s permission to fight our wars

    Alai
    http://www.twitter.com/robertalai
11. Richard Mabala November 21, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    your language betrays you my friend. I do not worship Wikipedia. I fully support your permission to speak I accept that Wikipedia can make mistakes but I do not think it has been taken over by either aliens or wasenge.

    I have actually seen dogs exhibiting homosexual behaviour (and they were in Africa as well). I do not like the overheated emotionalism of this debate either.
12. Charles Makakala Jr November 21, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    Richard,

    That is true- but what Homosexual Advocates don’t tell you is the fact that only Humans willfully (not accidentally) engage in Homosexuality and form permanent bonds (not temporary like animals).

    Like any sin and perversion- Homosexuality is not a new thing among people. But never before in the history of man- apart from the days of Sodom- has it taken its current militant form to advance itself.

    People choose their careers, they choose their partners, now they can even choose citizenship. One thing people don’t choose is their sexual orientation. The Western world keeps coming with new forms of sexual orientations- homosexual, lesbianism, transsexual, etc. Why not Bestiality? Children in the West are confused about who they are- they start experimenting with unnatural practices possibly in the journey to discovery. That is how people become Homosexuals in the first place.

    In some Western countries between 5-10% of the people consider themselves homosexuals. Huh, those statistics are only possible in a society that has licensed Homosexuality and actively encourages it…

    Again, God help us all.

    Charles.
13. Kehancha Kehancha November 21, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Richard,
    We need not to borrow from animals to make our argument. The point is – homosexuality is unnatural and indeed, abnormal; be it between mammals, reptiles, birds or human beings – that is according to natural law.

    It is as far as religion is concerned, sinful and immoral. as far as our cultures and traditions are concerned homosexuality(practical, tendencies, and the ideology) are abominable.
14. Amani Kerege November 23, 2009 at 12:25 am

    Ooh Richard, please be truthful. We all see bulls, male dogs, etc fighting for the bride, sometimes very bitter fights. But I have never in my life seen them “going to bed”. I doubt you have seen that either.

    We dont say there are no homosexuals or lesbians in our countries, but we are saying we should never support such abnormality nor legalise it. There are more important issues of human rights than these. Such organisations should address the real breach of human rights and not be mouthpieces of the so called Western civilisation, which in this case is utterly immoral.
15. Tracy John Kimambo November 23, 2009 at 12:27 am

    Kama tunasema kwamba ushoga na usagaji ni kinyume na maumbile, kama
    tunasema mashoga na wasagaji wana kasoro, ni wagonjwa na wana kilema
    kikubwa, basi tukubali kwamba na wasema uongo, walafi, mafisadi,
    wasengenyaji, wana kasoro, ni wagonjwa, wana kilema kikubwa na
    wanaishi kinyume na maumbile!

    Hata tukiachana na Biblia. Tukiangalia Mwongozo wa Kanisa Katoliki
    kuhusu suala hili, uliotolewa Desemba 1975 na ule wa Kadinali
    Ratzinger, yote inakazia kufanyika utafiti juu ya hali ya mtu kuvutiwa
    na jinsia yake. Je jambo hili limefanyika?

    Tuangalie hapa Tanzania. Utafiti huu umefanyika? Kanisa Katoliki la
    Tanzania limejenga mazingira ambamo watu wenye kilema hiki wanaweza
    kujitokeza wazi wakakubalika na kusaidiwa bila kungoja matukio kama
    lile la padri kulawiti?

    Kadinali Ratzinger alishauri kwamba watu wenye matatizo haya
    wasitengwe, wapatiwe huduma zote za kiroho, wasikilizwe na kusaidiwa
    kwa kutumia hekima na busara kubwa. Tumesikia kwamba huyu padri
    aliyelawiti, amesimamishwa kutoa huduma za kiroho. Je, huku si
    kumtenga? Kama kuna mapadri wengine wenye matatizo kama haya
    watakubali kujitokeza ili wasaidiwe?

    Je, kama kuna waumini wengine wenye matatizo kama haya watajitokeza?
    Kama padri amesimamishwa kutoa huduma za kiroho si waumini
    wakijitokeza watafungiwa huduma za sakramenti na kutengwa kabisa na
    kanisa?

    Hadi sasa hivi watu wanaogopa kuutaja udhaifu wao ili wasichekwe na
    kutengwa. Jinsi tunavyoficha ukweli juu ya ugonjwa wa ukimwi, ndivyo
    tunavyoshindwa kusema ukweli juu ya mambo mengine yanayozunguka
    uhusiano wa mtu na mtu. Tunaogopa kuchekwa, kunyoshewa kidole na
    unyanyapaa. Hivyo walio wengi wanaamua kuendelea kuishi na udhaifu
    wao.

    Msimamo huu umeleta madhara mengi katika kanisa na katika jamii nzima.
    Mfano watu wanaoshindwa kumudu sheria ya mke mmoja mume mmoja,
    wanashindwa kujitokeza na matokeo yake ni ndoa za mitala ambazo mara
    nyingi watoto wa nje hawapati haki kama wanazozipata watoto walio
    kwenye ndoa zinazotambuliwa na kanisa na jamii nzima.

    Hali hii imezalisha watoto wengi wa mitaani. Pia uhusiano wa mtu na
    mtu limekuwa ni jambo la kufanywa kwa siri kiasi watu wengi wameanguka
    kwenye hatari ya ugonjwa wa ukimwi bila kupata ushauri; maana wengi
    wao wanakutana kisiri. Ni vigumu kumpatia mtu ushauri wa kujikinga
    kama hajakueleza kwamba anatembea na mtu ambaye una hakika ana virusi
    vya ukimwi.

    Kazi kubwa iliyo mbele yetu ni kufafanua uhusiano wa mtu na mtu. Ni
    kuwafanya watu wawe wazi juu ya uhusiano wao. Walio wengi na hasa
    katika jamii zetu za kiafrika, wanakuwa wagumu kuweka wazi suala hili
    la uhusiano.

    Watu wangependa kuhusiana kwa siri, lakini mapenzi ni ki-kohozi
    hayawezi kujificha! Yawe ni mapenzi yanayoruhusiwa au ya kinyume na
    maumbile, penye mapenzi hapakosi dalili!

    Kwa kuhitimisha, nisema kwamba tunataka tusitake; ni lazima sasa
    tuanze kujadili juu ya matukio ya mapadri kulawiti. Hili si tatizo la
    makanisa peke yake. Ni tatizo la dunia nzima iliyokubali kujiingiza
    kwenye kijiji kimoja cha utandawazi.

    Misamiati kama ushoga na usagaji limekuwa jambo la kawaida. Tumeanza
    kushuhudia ndoa za mashoga na wasagaji. Huu si wakati wa kukaa kimya
    na kuendelea kufunika mambo, kuendeleza “usiri” na kukaribisha giza
    badala ya mwanga. Huu ni wakati wa majadiliano, utafiti, kuelimishana
    na kusaidiana.
16. Hamilton Ole Parseina November 23, 2009 at 12:29 am

    Hi,

    Much as we are generally agreed that some amongst us should be banned from this listserve because of their disrespectful and outright foul language, restrain need to be exercised to avoid gagging people from speaking their minds. Even then, in my considered view, Omtatah is certainly not one of those. Indeed, I find his comments to be candid and refreshing, nay, of a higher calling.

    Hamilton Ole Parseina
17. BEN KOISSABA November 23, 2009 at 12:31 am

    Hi all

    Wait a minute, banning people from expressing themselves and speaking their minds, at this age and time, and by members of a vibrant civil society which is owed a lot by the Kenyans for taking a long fight for freedom of expression and the reforms agenda we are now going through.
    Sincerely i don’t see logic but woe unto them that judge others for they shall be judged.

    Who says it is just some few that have the freedom of expression and others don’t. I read mischief in the whole circus but take note that every day that the sun rises, it rises with new ideas by new people who see things not with the eyes of yesterday but with the eyes of the day, people who do things with the zeal that is required today and with the commitment and approach that will threaten the status quo..

    Ole Koissaba Ben
    MCSF
    2420 Ross Road
    Silver Spring, MD 20910
    USA
18. Sylvester Kibindu November 23, 2009 at 12:33 am

    wapendwa hii yote ni upunguvu wa hofu ya Mungu, mtu mwenye hofu ya Mungu Hawezi kushabikia ushoga
    wala usagaji wala ufisadi wala Rushwa hivi vyote ni chukizo kwa mwenyezi mungu,majanga mengi tunayopata
    hata hili gonjwa la ukimwi ni chukizo kwa mwenyezi mungu,mungu anajaribu kuturudisha karibu na yeye tujutie
    madhambi yetu na kumrudia yeye.Hata kama ni Padri au Shehe anafanya hivyo ni chukizo Kwa Mwenyezi kwani
    hawa wanatakiwa wawe mfano bora wa kuchunga kondoo wa Bwana.Uongozi wowote hupewa na mwenyezi Mungu
    amini ndugu zangu wanoaoingia madarakani kwa nguvu za giza ndio hao wanakua na mafisadi kwasabab
    hawakuchaguliwa na Mwenyezi Mungu.

    Kuna usemi unao sema sauti ya watu ni sauti ya mungu.Wapendwa napenda niwaombe kutumia muda huu tulionao
    kuliombea Taifa letu na Dunia kwa ujumla kuondokana na Tabia hizi chafu za
    ushoga ,usagaji,Rushwa,ufisadi,visasi,chuki,wivu mbaya na Vita.Ili kuleta upendo na mshikamano wa Taifa na Dunia kwa
    ujumla.
    Wote tunajua kama ufisadi unaendelea ipo siku tutakuta madini yote yamekwisha na wawekezaji wanaochimba hawapati
    kitu kabisa na kufunga miradi kwanini haya madini ni urithi Mungu amewapa Watanzania lakini anasikitika hayawanufaishi
    watanzania sasa anayaondoa anapeleka kwingine ambako anauhakika watu wake wananufaika.Watanzania
    wanagombania Mafuta hata bado hajapatikana huu ni uroho na umimi wa namna gani umeme mnatumia wote mafuta ya
    kwenu peke yenu.

    Tuige nchi kama Uarabuni mafuta yanayopatika huwanufaisha wananchi,Namibia madini yanayopatikana
    yanawanufaisha wananchi na sio mtu mmoja mmoja au kiongozi.Basi ndugu zangu tumuombe Mungu atujalie hofu ya
    kumuogopa yeye,tukimuogopa yeye hakutakua na ufisadi,Rushwa,mauaji,usagaji,Ushoga Vita bali kutakua na upendo na
    amani Duniani.Wapendwa jioni njema.
19. Faiza Hassan November 23, 2009 at 12:34 am

    Kwa hakika Ndugu Sylevester umewaka wazi na kueleza kwa kina juu ya
    mada hii. Ulosema ni kweli kabisa na sidhani mwenye akili timamu aweza
    kupinga.
20. Salah Sheikh November 23, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Hi All,
    I am just wondering if banning people from contributing to open debates or intimidating them into silence is helpful. Ask Moi, it did not help him, it actually energized his opponents. Again, those attempting to do this should not be KHRC, that will be its sure demise. KHRC has lost much of its clout because of refusing to fight for mainstream Kenyan issues and continuing to advocate for marginal issues that are very peripheral to the general Kenyan society. I am sure the argument of KHRC is that even the marginal issues need attention, granted, when we have genocide unresolved how did we get time and resources for lifestyle rights?

    KHRC lost its energy and respect because it acts like a club of elites who sort of discriminate against communities and their advocates for “issues in vogue”. Since the advent of the bureaucratic and very docile KNCHR, the vibrancy of KHRC seems to have waned. Those who own that organization should probably re-organize it and make it relevant for the larger Kenyan public.

    Salah Abdi Sheikh
    Truth Be Told Network
21. Harry November 23, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    Dear Muthoni,
    Is it true that you wrote this email:
    Firoze, please immediately remove this (sic) from the KPTJ listserve and also block them from being able to post to the same:

    alai.robert@
    mwaura.edwin@
    omtatah@
    omtatah@
    bidiiafrika@
    kenyaonline@
    
    Well, now we all know who you trully are. You are no different from the Kibaki government which will do anything to GAG THE MEDIA. But something more draws my attention to this email. Was this email out of emotion? If so, kindly apoligize. And do it fast. DO IT NOW…

    Because Muthoni, you are a woman. You are a female leader. You are admired by many women because of your role. I even wanted at one time to suggest that you would make a perfect model of an ideal wife…like Mitchelle Obama.

    You have let KHRC down. You have let free speech and free flow of ideas down. Effectively let democracy down.

    But you have let the female fraternity down, just when we are forging ahead with affirmative action in the new constitution.

    My names are Mumia H N, and do not suggest that i be banned from any forum.

    Mumia
22. mark bates December 13, 2009 at 2:58 am

    It goes like this: Mr. its your first day here, please, have my Ugali. Later that same night it becomes: now that you had my Ugali, this is what you will do for me. Publisher Kenya New Prisoners Guide.

    Having known what the insides of Kenya Prisons look like, I will assure you same gender sex has existed in this country from the days of the first prison.