U.N. TEAM TELLS KENYA NOT TO GRANT AMNESTY

19 Mar 2008 15:22:21 GMT
Source: Reuters
By Robert Evans

GENEVA, March 19 (Reuters) – The government of Kenya should make sure no amnesty is granted to people who committed abuses during the country’s post-election violence, United Nations experts said on Wednesday.

The five-member team from the office of High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour issued its call in a report that followed a three-week visit to Kenya in February, which included meetings with both citizens and government officials.

“Perpetrators of gross human rights violations should under no circumstances be recommended for amnesty,” the team said in comments aimed at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, due to be set up in Nairobi.

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8 thoughts on “U.N. TEAM TELLS KENYA NOT TO GRANT AMNESTY

  1. Ruath

    The true perpetrators were the ECK headed by Kivuti or kiviatu guy, the head of civil services who claims to know the constituion better than experts, and those who stole the election. Kenya belongs to all kenyans and the people demonstrated their anger towards their democratic rights being stolen from them. majority of the wanainchi suffer while a few people are living for free at the expense of the government. If they want to prosecute all kenyans, let them start with those that caused the violence by stealing the elections.

  2. ADONGO CALEB

    BEFORE YOU GRANT AMNESTY TO PEST ELECTION VIOLENCE YOU SHOULD READ WHY THEY SHOULD BE ROUNDED UP-THEY POSE LONGTIME SECURITY RISKS TO THE NATION……HERE IS A POLICE OFFICER [MUNGIKI]

    Hey guys

    Remember when there was that standard story about how 100 or so “Mumbi boys” were cornered in Nakuru by about 10 warriors? Remember when the Army had to intervene to protect what was left of the Mumbi boys? That was just a scratch of the surface. Read the rest of the story hear and tremble in fear of the Kalenjin Warriors. Those guys are like no other!!!

    Anonymous: for his safety

    Kenyans should thank God for what they never knew or don’t know.I have been introduced into this site by a colleague who blogs here often and I have a story to share. I’m an officer with the administration police based at the coast now but was in rift valley until few weeks ago and will not divulge my rank here for anonymity purposes. I have anonymously written to various international and local organizations about what i saw but many have been either skeptical or afraid to act. Anonymously, because in my line of duty, the reality of dying by a dirty colleague’s riffle is closer than that of natural death. I am from one of the GEMA sub-tribes

    I have a lot of information i’d like to share but for now, i will only use such forums to say what i know. Yes it’s true that mungiki were called in to revenge and the plan was to consequently use it as a tactic to maim or kill Ruto, Nyong’o and Sirma. The plan was met with a lot of resistance and squabbles between vigilance and state house almost got ugly until some rouge senior officers in nairobi decided to let the mungiki out for a field day at naivasha and nakuru.It became apparent that when members of the kalenjin and some moderate maasai heard that the mungiki were on a revenge attack, the kalenjin, who are way superior and tactful in bush combat, decided to meet them at rongai and molo and that is when the mungiki lords called muranga for reinforcements.

    The police were told to sit back and come in when the objective was complete. The infighting that pitted the organisers saw some hasty decision to send a lorry full of mungiki youths to Burnt forest with GK escort to meet the raiders but the whole lot of them, 43 in number, were met with heavy resistance and the last one of them died two hours later.It was devastating.The lorry was burnt and the two riffles the gang had were stolen by the attackers.
    This was never reported in the press. I remember we were dispatched to the scene three hours later yet we were in a post nine kilometers away. three local press members took pictures and interviewed witnesses who accounted every thing they saw, we never heard of in in any news. When Nairobi heard that the mungiki strategy could not work in riftvalley and parts of nyanza that is when state house decided to recall them by pretending to carry out arrests.I know, we were there. Ladies and gentlemen, some of us uphold the oath we took to protect the sanctity of life and maintain law and order.I love my job and actually it has enabled me propel my family’s financial status, but some thing that go on within the corridors of power have impacted negatively on the spirit of the force. Unnecessary civilian interference threaten to kill the force entirely as we are already witnessing rifts between the regular police and the administration.
    A fact that many do not wish to admit is that, more than 2,000 people died and 65% were in the hands of police. More than 34 police officers lost there lives to fellow officers who found them a stumbling block to the executive order to kill rebels within the citizenry.15 officers were killed by civilian attackers.In a place like kericho and eldoret, we were given shoot to kill orders and those officers who defied or reluctantly obeyed were shot in the back by colleagues in the line of duty, to stem rebellion within the force. MOREOVER, many mungiki were killed, but instruction prevented the police and media from auditing the death tolls. Something the minders under estimated was the fact that not everyone fear the mungiki.Some tribes, especially the Nilotic ones are hardened war mongers who rustle cattle on a daily basis.These kalenjins and samburus do not fear the mungiki, and are adapted to rugged terrain and are very tactical.the mungiki are only relevant in towns and small communities, but outside their territories, they need police escort, as the only thing they use are pangas and guns.It never scares away the morans of kipsigis , nandi, samburu and maasai. A full scale war was about to break and since the casualties were the unprepared kikuyus, then Kibaki would have tried to use the police who were already squabbling .It was really bad.
    A friend told me sometime in January that mungiki old guard had made a deal with state house to release maina njenga ,the son of the founder of the sect on condition of cooperation. But there is a section of Kibaki’s old guard who feel that the mungiki are bad for there business and have been against the sect for years now, and these are the ones organizing a total wipe out of the sect.

    Now with the peace pact, many mungiki die hards are not pleased with kibaki as it now seems that the section against mungiki have won the round.With aRaila as prime minister. Many fear that the deal with mungiki over maina njenga will not be honoured.

    The sec t was meant to kill some MPs, journalists, Human rights activists, and various personalities from the Agikuyu who refused to ride with them. I am one of them, but like Githgongo and Kiai, I have refused to let evil be.I may not be brave or rich enough to hold press conferences from London, but I believe that through such forums and avenues, I can share my bit. There are many other officers willing to share their insight, and what you will find out will really confirm that our president had become desperate and resorted to taking advice from criminals. When he was left to decide on his own, he chose to work with raila.
    Kibaki should not worry about ODM, he should worry about his friends. GOD BLESS KENYA

  3. ADONGO CALEB

    PERPERATORS OF VIOLENCE MUST BE ROUNDED UP AND PROSECUTED;- LISTEN TO THE REASONS WHY

    Hey guys

    Remember when there was that standard story about how 100 or so “Mumbi boys” were cornered in Nakuru by about 10 warriors? Remember when the Army had to intervene to protect what was left of the Mumbi boys? That was just a scratch of the surface. Read the rest of the story hear and tremble in fear of the Kalenjin Warriors. Those guys are like no other!!!

    Anonymous: for his safety

    Kenyans should thank God for what they never knew or don’t know.I have been introduced into this site by a colleague who blogs here often and I have a story to share. I’m an officer with the administration police based at the coast now but was in rift valley until few weeks ago and will not divulge my rank here for anonymity purposes. I have anonymously written to various international and local organizations about what i saw but many have been either skeptical or afraid to act. Anonymously, because in my line of duty, the reality of dying by a dirty colleague’s riffle is closer than that of natural death. I am from one of the GEMA sub-tribes

    I have a lot of information i’d like to share but for now, i will only use such forums to say what i know. Yes it’s true that mungiki were called in to revenge and the plan was to consequently use it as a tactic to maim or kill Ruto, Nyong’o and Sirma. The plan was met with a lot of resistance and squabbles between vigilance and state house almost got ugly until some rouge senior officers in nairobi decided to let the mungiki out for a field day at naivasha and nakuru.It became apparent that when members of the kalenjin and some moderate maasai heard that the mungiki were on a revenge attack, the kalenjin, who are way superior and tactful in bush combat, decided to meet them at rongai and molo and that is when the mungiki lords called muranga for reinforcements.

    The police were told to sit back and come in when the objective was complete. The infighting that pitted the organisers saw some hasty decision to send a lorry full of mungiki youths to Burnt forest with GK escort to meet the raiders but the whole lot of them, 43 in number, were met with heavy resistance and the last one of them died two hours later.It was devastating.The lorry was burnt and the two riffles the gang had were stolen by the attackers.
    This was never reported in the press. I remember we were dispatched to the scene three hours later yet we were in a post nine kilometers away. three local press members took pictures and interviewed witnesses who accounted every thing they saw, we never heard of in in any news. When Nairobi heard that the mungiki strategy could not work in riftvalley and parts of nyanza that is when state house decided to recall them by pretending to carry out arrests.I know, we were there. Ladies and gentlemen, some of us uphold the oath we took to protect the sanctity of life and maintain law and order.I love my job and actually it has enabled me propel my family’s financial status, but some thing that go on within the corridors of power have impacted negatively on the spirit of the force. Unnecessary civilian interference threaten to kill the force entirely as we are already witnessing rifts between the regular police and the administration.
    A fact that many do not wish to admit is that, more than 2,000 people died and 65% were in the hands of police. More than 34 police officers lost there lives to fellow officers who found them a stumbling block to the executive order to kill rebels within the citizenry.15 officers were killed by civilian attackers.In a place like kericho and eldoret, we were given shoot to kill orders and those officers who defied or reluctantly obeyed were shot in the back by colleagues in the line of duty, to stem rebellion within the force. MOREOVER, many mungiki were killed, but instruction prevented the police and media from auditing the death tolls. Something the minders under estimated was the fact that not everyone fear the mungiki.Some tribes, especially the Nilotic ones are hardened war mongers who rustle cattle on a daily basis.These kalenjins and samburus do not fear the mungiki, and are adapted to rugged terrain and are very tactical.the mungiki are only relevant in towns and small communities, but outside their territories, they need police escort, as the only thing they use are pangas and guns.It never scares away the morans of kipsigis , nandi, samburu and maasai. A full scale war was about to break and since the casualties were the unprepared kikuyus, then Kibaki would have tried to use the police who were already squabbling .It was really bad.
    A friend told me sometime in January that mungiki old guard had made a deal with state house to release maina njenga ,the son of the founder of the sect on condition of cooperation. But there is a section of Kibaki’s old guard who feel that the mungiki are bad for there business and have been against the sect for years now, and these are the ones organizing a total wipe out of the sect.

    Now with the peace pact, many mungiki die hards are not pleased with kibaki as it now seems that the section against mungiki have won the round.With aRaila as prime minister. Many fear that the deal with mungiki over maina njenga will not be honoured.

    The sec t was meant to kill some MPs, journalists, Human rights activists, and various personalities from the Agikuyu who refused to ride with them. I am one of them, but like Githgongo and Kiai, I have refused to let evil be.I may not be brave or rich enough to hold press conferences from London, but I believe that through such forums and avenues, I can share my bit. There are many other officers willing to share their insight, and what you will find out will really confirm that our president had become desperate and resorted to taking advice from criminals. When he was left to decide on his own, he chose to work with raila.
    Kibaki should not worry about ODM, he should worry about his friends. GOD BLESS KENYA

  4. ADONGO CALEB

    PRE- AND POST ELECTION PERPERATORS MUST BE BROUGHT TO BOOK AS THE UN-SAYS HERE IS WHY:-

    Remember when there was that standard story about how 100 or so “Mumbi boys” were cornered in Nakuru by about 10 warriors? Remember when the Army had to intervene to protect what was left of the Mumbi boys? That was just a scratch of the surface. Read the rest of the story hear and tremble in fear of the Kalenjin Warriors. Those guys are like no other!!!

    Anonymous: for his safety

    Kenyans should thank God for what they never knew or don’t know.I have been introduced into this site by a colleague who blogs here often and I have a story to share. I’m an officer with the administration police based at the coast now but was in rift valley until few weeks ago and will not divulge my rank here for anonymity purposes. I have anonymously written to various international and local organizations about what i saw but many have been either skeptical or afraid to act. Anonymously, because in my line of duty, the reality of dying by a dirty colleague’s riffle is closer than that of natural death. I am from one of the GEMA sub-tribes

    I have a lot of information i’d like to share but for now, i will only use such forums to say what i know. Yes it’s true that mungiki were called in to revenge and the plan was to consequently use it as a tactic to maim or kill Ruto, Nyong’o and Sirma. The plan was met with a lot of resistance and squabbles between vigilance and state house almost got ugly until some rouge senior officers in nairobi decided to let the mungiki out for a field day at naivasha and nakuru.It became apparent that when members of the kalenjin and some moderate maasai heard that the mungiki were on a revenge attack, the kalenjin, who are way superior and tactful in bush combat, decided to meet them at rongai and molo and that is when the mungiki lords called muranga for reinforcements.

    The police were told to sit back and come in when the objective was complete. The infighting that pitted the organisers saw some hasty decision to send a lorry full of mungiki youths to Burnt forest with GK escort to meet the raiders but the whole lot of them, 43 in number, were met with heavy resistance and the last one of them died two hours later.It was devastating.The lorry was burnt and the two riffles the gang had were stolen by the attackers.
    This was never reported in the press. I remember we were dispatched to the scene three hours later yet we were in a post nine kilometers away. three local press members took pictures and interviewed witnesses who accounted every thing they saw, we never heard of in in any news. When Nairobi heard that the mungiki strategy could not work in riftvalley and parts of nyanza that is when state house decided to recall them by pretending to carry out arrests.I know, we were there. Ladies and gentlemen, some of us uphold the oath we took to protect the sanctity of life and maintain law and order.I love my job and actually it has enabled me propel my family’s financial status, but some thing that go on within the corridors of power have impacted negatively on the spirit of the force. Unnecessary civilian interference threaten to kill the force entirely as we are already witnessing rifts between the regular police and the administration.
    A fact that many do not wish to admit is that, more than 2,000 people died and 65% were in the hands of police. More than 34 police officers lost there lives to fellow officers who found them a stumbling block to the executive order to kill rebels within the citizenry.15 officers were killed by civilian attackers.In a place like kericho and eldoret, we were given shoot to kill orders and those officers who defied or reluctantly obeyed were shot in the back by colleagues in the line of duty, to stem rebellion within the force. MOREOVER, many mungiki were killed, but instruction prevented the police and media from auditing the death tolls. Something the minders under estimated was the fact that not everyone fear the mungiki.Some tribes, especially the Nilotic ones are hardened war mongers who rustle cattle on a daily basis.These kalenjins and samburus do not fear the mungiki, and are adapted to rugged terrain and are very tactical.the mungiki are only relevant in towns and small communities, but outside their territories, they need police escort, as the only thing they use are pangas and guns.It never scares away the morans of kipsigis , nandi, samburu and maasai. A full scale war was about to break and since the casualties were the unprepared kikuyus, then Kibaki would have tried to use the police who were already squabbling .It was really bad.
    A friend told me sometime in January that mungiki old guard had made a deal with state house to release maina njenga ,the son of the founder of the sect on condition of cooperation. But there is a section of Kibaki’s old guard who feel that the mungiki are bad for there business and have been against the sect for years now, and these are the ones organizing a total wipe out of the sect.

    Now with the peace pact, many mungiki die hards are not pleased with kibaki as it now seems that the section against mungiki have won the round.With aRaila as prime minister. Many fear that the deal with mungiki over maina njenga will not be honoured.

    The sec t was meant to kill some MPs, journalists, Human rights activists, and various personalities from the Agikuyu who refused to ride with them. I am one of them, but like Githgongo and Kiai, I have refused to let evil be.I may not be brave or rich enough to hold press conferences from London, but I believe that through such forums and avenues, I can share my bit. There are many other officers willing to share their insight, and what you will find out will really confirm that our president had become desperate and resorted to taking advice from criminals. When he was left to decide on his own, he chose to work with raila.
    Kibaki should not worry about ODM, he should worry about his friends. GOD BLESS KENYA

  5. Nicky

    In my opinion the so called gross violaters of human rights are actually freedom fighters.It is a fact that in the absecence of the chaos president Kibaki would no budge.

    In the spirit of truth and reconciliation lets put the past to rest and embark on a new journey for a better Kenya.

    Lets put in place systems and mechanisms for a just nation and thereafter the law will take its cause.Blame game will not take us anywhere.

  6. ADONGO CALEB

    PNU-CABINET BETTER DISBAND OR JUST FORGET IT-
    RAILA HAS NO BUSINESS APPEASING TO PNU….BETTER YET THE SO CALLED PNU-RISKS A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE MOVE FOR HOLDING UP IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ACCORD-
    THE ONLT FUNCTION LEGITIMISING THEIR “ILLEGAL GOVERNMENT”.
    THE ACCORD MUST BE IMPLEMENTED TO THE LETTER AS SIGNED AND AGREED UPON BY THE LEADRS!

    The Orange Democratic Movement leader said consultations will continue on structure of a coalition Government.

    President Kibaki and Mr Odinga went into a meeting at 11am to refine a new Cabinet under their power sharing deal.

    Mr Odinga arrived at President Kibaki’s Harambee House office at 11am and left at 1.30pm.

    The two leaders are required to jointly name ministers under the national accord brokered by former UN secretary general Kofi Annan.

    The accord says that the Party of National Unity and the Orange Democratic Movement should to enter into a coalition taking into account portfolio balance and reflecting relative parliamentary strength.

    Parliament last week unanimously passed the accord into law, embedding it in the Constitution and clearing the way for its implementation.

  7. Richard kigen

    The UN body and others of their will be shocked if they did some serious research that those who committed most murders were either the police force ( in Kisumu) and the dreaded Mungiki( in Eldoret, Naivasha, Nakuru and Nairobi).

    Let statements be backed by facts and fgures. The records are available from the postmortems . Mosts deaths were caused by deep panga( matchets) and gun shots. Mungiki’s use pangas to mercilessly hack down their victims. Police used live bullets to shoot and kill demonstrators.
    If the UN is serious , they should first start with the Police Commissioner , Ministers Michuki and saitoti and Kiviutu.

    Richard

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