from George mboya

It is funny how we easily get mixed up. Ruto’s is not a case of democracy or lack of it. This is a case of a messenger, sent by his party to fight for a course and got mixed up on the way and fought his party instead. Ruto is not being punished because he voted YES or NO. Remember that Ruto was and still is the ODM key representative in the Constitution making process and so democracy though we talk about, he is not just a normal voter. He was there to push ODM agenda, which he did very well till the document was agreed on and indeed after Naivasha, he reported back to ODM and Kenyans that this was a good document.

Whereas he was free to vote the way he wanted, i have my doubts as to if he was right to oppose his party position given the responsibility he was given as a party leader for this very function to push the constitution agenda.

I dare say here that what Ruto did here in Kenya can not survive in the USA nor even the UK and other developed democracies. He would have been chucked by his party long ago and lost all his party positions and priviledges that come with such positions. I also dare say that church positions are even harder to go against. They will ex-communicate you very fast and so whoever supports him on this is a champion of impunity. I am sure that even in PNU he would not survive with such behaviour and still expect people to embrace, cheer and promote him for being democratic! What a joke!

Poor Kenyans, why feed ourselves with such dishonesty! No one, I say none can trust Ruto again with serious responsibility like this, cos he will take his democratic rights too far. He was a servant of the party who sent him with a specific message. Democracy or not he was to deliver the message not to distort it to suit his own interests. If he knew this was a task he could not perform, he should have resigned as a party rep and let the party choose someone else. The moment he stuck to this duty, he was duty bound and he failed miserably, and so the punishment. The party however, has a choice to forgive. But having a blanket argument that it was his democratic right is being dishonest because he was not democtratically elected in this position, he was selected by his party.

Just my thoughts.

Only when it is dark enough can you see the stars!!

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From: Jectone Ndunya

Mr Lee. The said constitution that is about to become law does allow for Independent Candidates and Mps etc. It is not something to turn your eyes away from the fact that ODM has lost majority of its support- RV and to smile and dance to pending, if at all it will, expulsion of Mps from the RV who supported NO Side is being just not neive but tooo neive. Those calling and or chairing meetings calling for their expulsion and “Discipline” are themselves not candidates come 2012 they are not sure of their comback to August house come 2012, for this reason i disagree with ODM as a party on their stand regarding this matter.

have you lost it what happened in the first referendum? we are talking of consolidating Kenya to be one Nation and this can only be a reality if we are ready to allow each one of us to have his or her own stand on matters such as this. Those who rejected the Katiba are not dwarfs neither are they illiterate, we know of Medics, lawyers etc who were against it so they did so because they read and understood then took a stand and that is what H.E. The President preached all through…. Read…. Understand …. Decide… that was the creed then.

Please give Hon Ruto & co a break.

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From: Lee Makwiny

Kiprop Simion,

I want to state here categorically that Ruto and co left ODM longtime ago! They have been accommodated for a long time. They have not joined (officially) another party because of Martha Karua’s political parties bill. I want to show you why this people left ODM and ODM must move with speed to consolidate its support base!

1. They refused to support ODM candidate in Bomachoge – The day ODM were campaigning for their candidate, they were launching a political party in the name of PDP (People’s Democratic Party). Democracy demand that they leave ODM and commit to this party!

2. They supported ODM opponent in the concluded South Mugirango elections. These in itself deserve punishment. Otherwise, there is no need for internal party disciplinary mechanism.

3. In Matiga election, they never supported ODM candidate, they sponsored a candidate!

4. In the ensuing civic election, they sponsored and supported their own candidates in their stronghold, but lost to KANU.

Democracy demands that one man, one party!

Just watch this space, we as ODM members, will embark on getting rid of people who are not committed to the party. 2012 is around the corner, and we will not allow them to pull a fast one on us. You are either a party member or not.

You cannot make people kill dogs and cats with lies and expect ODM members to allow you to remain the deputy leader

Thank you!

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Kiprop Simion wrote:

I don’t understand the kind of democracy ODM is putting in practice.

Punishing MPs who Supported NO!

Voting for YES or NO in the referendum was not a party position. These dictatorial tendencies are a threat to democracy.