The proposed plan to a Kenyan solution by my friend Odhiambo Oketch is inspired by the devil himself. And because this is a very significant period in the history of our country. Every one must take a stand on the Kenya s/he wants.
  
  If  I were to  leave Odhiambo Oketch’s dangerous proposal to go unchallenged then it might be taken ten years later, that I supported him. Odhimabo your proposal is down right unacceptable. It is not a solution to the Kenyan Problem. It is just an idea on how we can create more Animal farms. Our animal farm is already too painful for all of us, why do you want another animal farm? Are you using your brain?
  
  A few Days ago I published on this forum what the Kenyan problem is. The Kenyan Problem is not the Gikuyu people, or Merus, Embus or what Odhiambo calls Eastern Kenya people ( I guess here you have the Akamba in mind targeted for exclusion also from this new Kenya you have proposed). Indeed there is no community which is the problem. The The Kenyan Problem is  the Criminal state. I like what Rev. Njoya has published in the Daily Nation Today, Thursday Valentine’s Day about the diagnosis of the Kenyan Problem. Read it again.
  
  The Kenyan criminal state can only be healed through a new constitutional order. Not the division of the country. Our people are not the problem; they are the victims of the criminal state.  
  
  Odhiambo I want you to reflect seriously about the problem we have in Kenya. Last year in the run down to the election, Michuki issued shoot to kill orders in his attempt to deal with what came to be called the Mungiki Menace. About 613 young Kikuyu men were killed in cold blood. 21 of them were killed on a certain Friday morning while taking the oath and eating raw goat meat in Murang’a. Odhiambo and Sande agreed that that was the way to go because we needed to deal with insecurity and Mungiki. YOU ACTUALLY SUPPORTED THE SUSPENSION OF THE KENYAN CONSTITUTION and the violation of RIGHTS. Those young men died yes, but was the election not contested? Has Mungiki not renewed its fangs and bitten many Kenyans to death? Have Kalenjin, Luo, Kisii, Luyha youths not barricaded roads and burnt houses and raped women in the wake of the post-election madness?
  Would Odhiambo support the killing of many more young Kiukuyu in cold blood because they are Kikuyu or would he prefer dealing with the root causes of poverty and disinheritance in Kenya?
  

Is it true that those hapless, poverty stricken families in Ngecha in Limuru, or those jigger-rdiden masses in Mathioya and Maragua are sucking wealth from Odhiambo Oketch and the rest of Kenya? Can’t we attack in unity the parastic class of exploiters in Nairobi, majority of whom are Kikuyus today, but have been Kalenjins before, and also include My own Nyachae and Mr. Moi, Biwott etc?
  
  The persistence Odhiambo has invested in trying to brainwash us that the problem is the Kikuyu of Kenya, is just scary and worrying. The consistence of Sande to lie that Kibaki won the election is very insulting. The burger just did not win that election. Wake up from this collective denial and start helping Kenya agree to deal with the gory past of injustices. I mean who does not know that Kibaki DID NOT win the last election? Then you should be some hospital, seeing a counsellor!
  
  Raila is not Kenya’s solution either. A non-Kikuyu president is not the answer, a Kikuyu president is not the answer, At all! We are missing the point that way.
  
  The answer, is a new constitutional order that creates democratic, accountable governance and power strucutures; where elections will truly be elections. Where life will not be desecrated with murder, arson, police truncheons and bullets, violence and rape.
  
  And the new constitution will need democrats, human rights respecters, men who believe in equality with women and citizens who treasure values including nationhood and honesty. Kenya must not be divided by tribalists who want a piece of our nation to rape. We do not want rape of any part of our country. Odhiambo, we must tell you to just shut up or publish articles that promote the principles of justice, fairness, truth, nationhood, unity, and democracy.
  
  Speaking of which, now that Kanyotu has died, Kibaki should take the opportunity to apologise to Kenyans for signing the warrants that took Raila and nearly 1000 other Kenyans including Ng’ang’a Thiong’o to Nyayo house torture chambers. In Kibaki we have a dictator who has for four decades participated in the killing the soul of the Kenyan nation and defiling democracy.
  
  Happy Valentines Day guys. My Love goes to all of you and those fellow Kenyans in the camps, waiting to die of pneumonia, or Poverty. We must Love them enough by working for a united, democratic, multi-racial, multi-ethnic, gender sensitive, equitable and prosperous Kenya, where every child has an equal chance to make it in life. Currently if you a child from certain Kenyan regions and ethnic communities, like the Luo, your chance of making it in life to the top may be threatened.

– Orina Nyamwamu

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Sande wrote:        

 Odhiambo brother,
You are a very good debater and I like your view world. I only beg to differ with you on this wild assumption that ALL western people want to be cut off from the rest of the country…

Kibaki was voted by over 400,000 residents of Western Kenya, Luhyas, many Kisiis, many North Easterners who went on to vote in many Pro-PNU MPs, at the coast and
in the Rift Valley…Where Raila got votes that was a majority win, with a minority losing, not absent but losing!

We must be aware of a very important democratic belief that democracy is where majority have their say and minority have their way. THIS IS WHAT MANY FROM
WESTERN AND RIFT VALLEY CHOSE TO FORGET!

I am from Khwisero constituency where Raila got majority presidential votes, we accepted that, we have an ODM MP and we have not contested his election…  However, Kibaki was voted for by about 4000 people…  These are a minority but Westerners.

I WILL NEVER ADVOCATE FOR secession/being cut off from the rest of Kenya just because of Kibaki and Raila, mere human beings who are here today and will be past tense tomorrow! THAT IS MYOPIC INDEED!

We should correct this mess today and work for tomorrow’s greater Kenya.

Kikuyus didn’t take anything from us…since 2002-2007 it’s been 5 years! How about the Kalenjin who took 24 years and messed the whole country yet we did not secede! (sp).

Who tells you that in the new region…after five or ten years of “good” Raila rule, we shall not be confronted with another so called bad leadership emerging from Mudavadi (Luhya), Ojaamong (Teso), Ruto (Kalenjin) or an Alqaida terrorist from some quota
from the newly found geo-political space. LET’S BE CAREFUL OF GENERALISATIONS THAT CAUSE HASTY DECISIONS THAT CAUSE LASTING NEGATIVE EFFECTS!

Hey, why do you assume that all Luhyas want Luo leadership, or Kalenjin for that matter…  I could be the next gorrilla leader in that new order you envisage! BE WARNED!

Sande

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Odhiambo Oketch wrote:

George,

When Kibaki had the Maasai at Mau Narok evicted violently with their houses, schools and even churches being burnt by the police, all in the name of clearing the water catchment areas, the Maasai complained, and Kimunya told the title deed holders that those were mere pieces of paper.

I bet they will say the same for all those who have been evicted from Rift Valley.

About autonomy, I will now support the Independence of The Independent Republic of Kenya. This will have 6 provinces; Nyanza, Western, Rift Valley, Nairobi, Coast and North Eastern Province.
 
Once we declare our Independence from Central and Eastern, we can go ahead and Install our own government, a government which will treat all residents of The Independent Republic of Kenya with respect, dignity and equality.
 
In Africa, we have Congo, and The DRC.
 
In South Africa, we have Lesotho completely surrounded by South Africa.
 
Instead of being the milch cow for the Kikuyu elite, we can leave them to lord over themselves.

This should be a clear resolve of all Kenyans. We will never quarrel again.
 
Oto
 

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George wrote:

Kenya like Yugoslavia risks disappearing from the world map to be replaced by new independent federal republics.

Just like in Yugoslavia Slobodan Milosevic lost the presidential election in 2000 but refused to accept the result and was forced out of the office.

Kibaki risks taking Kenya the same route which may eventually lead to a break up of the country called Kenya.
 
This brings into question the country called Kenya? Do we need to continue having the country exist as one? Are we happy to be under Kenya or would we better off in our own regions? In the last 40 years of independent has kenya our collective “mother” treated us all equally, fairly or as it been very selective in providing for its siblings depending on your tribe, religion etc?

 The vast majority of Kenyans would say No to the above questions. Most of them have nothing to show for the 40 years of independence. Some of us in Rift Valley feel rightfully that the white man left and was replaced by the Kikuyus who went into a grabbing spree with their altar boy Moi taking anything they could lay their hand on.

Majority of the communities west of Nakuru have nothing to boast of as Kenyans. Kalenjins, Luos and Luyhias are treated as second class citizens, all the government resources and employment are all concentrated in the hands of members of the GEMA with a constant reminder that we are Kenyans. Our region has some of the worst infrastructure, and roads, power, and water are all in a sorry state of affair. Our youths are wasting away in the local shopping centers despite their qualifications.
 

With Annan around we need to start agitating for the independence of our regions. We need to remind Annan that our problem is Kenya and Kenya needs to be reconstructed afresh to meet our diversity. Anything short of this will lead war.
 
I am actually encouraged that a country like Yugoslavia 7 years back gave birth to Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Kosovo and Montenegro. Kosovo with a population of 2 million people will soon be declaring its independence. The process is being mid-wifed by the EU. 
 
I don’t see what’s stopping Kenya from taking this route. The majority of Kenyans outside Central would not mind taking this route. We have proven in the 21st century that we cannot stand one another as a society.  Everything else that Annan is involved in is about
quick fixes to enable Kenyans start tolerating each other. In Rift Valley, for instance, the divide, mistrust and hatred is too big to be ignored, it cannot be solved by handshakes but by hard decisions based on secession.