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Date:  Thu, 8 May 2008 13:14:03 +0200
From:  Richard Mungla
Subject:  Re: Is Kisumu City too lucrative for illegal Asians immigrants in Kenya than other Cities?

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Wuon Nyadoto
While I fully agree with the observations on a number of issues on what keeps us lagging behind and how to jump start the luoism in being actively involved in doing business, attempting to propagate the killing a fellow luo for material wealth cannot be the best antidote for success.

With all good proposals on the table, how do we start? Do we need local and diaspora committees as a spring board? Whichever process we adopt, we need to simply and humble in dealing with others. We need to accept that we are not equal in a number of ways and that my weaknesses as Mungla are other people’s strengths and that way we can move forward. Doing business does not require having many degrees but commitment and resolve to succeed while doing the right things. Ever thought of starting a factory to make bar soaps using cheap Indian technology, what of high quality school (Primary & Secondary)? Look at the Makini’s in Nairobi!!!!!!!!! Are these not some of the areas Kikuyu’s are minting money! How much set up costs are we talking about? All these projects and many others are possible and they can be done with proper goodwill. You start small and you grow.

Richard Mungla Maputo

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Date:  Fri, 9 May 2008 11:47:41 +0200
From:  Richard Mungla
Subject:  Re: Vs: Kisumu City

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RICHARD AND ALL,

WE NEED TRUST & SELF CONFIDENCE  AMONG OURSELSELVES. In the diaspora some of us have been very badly wounded  when it comes to business or money. I personally know luo diasporas who have lost a lot of money on land or properties in Kenya with pending law cases or properties already sold to others. What makes the situation more worse is that sometimes it is just the close relatives who are conning. When it comes to the diaspora we luos do not have also trust among ourselves. Cases of collecting money to do something does not add up. At the start people do agree on openness and accountability but after collecting that money when you ask how much was collected, some start throwing `karate jambs at you. Some end up making `NYAMA CHOMA WITH THE SAME MONEY`.

Infact i am not trying to discourage people, but i happen to see how kikuyus do their things or Kisiis, those people are very different from us. The same money luos send home to their relatives is the same money kikuyus and Kisiis end up sending home, but in Kisiiland or Kikuyuland their relatives down in KENYA end up buying akamba buses, plots in Kisumu,  matatus  etc but in luo land I do not know where most of it goes to…

I do think things like business are very easy to start with people you know very well, but that dose not prevent our MPS to lead by mobilising rich luos to open at least a bank owned by luos in Kisumu, Homabay, where poor people who can not afford loans from barclays or commercial banks to get money to start something with.

Somebody said that there is beauty in all of us, but only if you look for it. If you do not look for it you end up missing the opportunity. We just need a TRUSTED  luo mobiliser to open a bank in Nyanza, and those who want loan to start a business can apply. Of course the bank will have to check what type of business he wants to open, if it is not worthn it, then the bank gives him a good advice. MY friend mentioned something just like hair cutting.  Look a typical luo gentleman will not like to be just an hair cutting creature, but I have seen in Finland here that hair cutters earn a lot of money and that is also a business.  a luo will like to be an office boy BUT NOT a hair dresser or cutter.

TRUST,  SELFCONFIDENCE & A MOBILISER=SUCCESS
Bye
Paul Nyandoto

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Date:  Fri, 09 May 2008 14:15:35 +0300
From:  Paul Nyandoto
Subject:  Re: Vs: Kisumu City

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Folks,
 
  Paul has finally hit the nail.  “I do think things like business are very easy to start with people you know very well, but that dose not prevent our MPS to lead by mobilizing rich luos to open at least a bank owned by luos in Kisumu, Homabay, where poor people who can not afford loans from barclays or commercial banks to get money to start something with”.

  Thanks Paul, continuous dialogue is healthy and finally we are getting towards the solution.  I totally do not agree with those who propel stopping others from contributing issues of great importance just because they have debated in the past and nothing happened.  With Obama’s slogan, “it can be done” spirit, I propose Hon. Dalmas Otieno to make a go start.  Outside his personal life, I know him as a business astute, and that he has the spirit of helping ordinary people.  So I need a seconder and lets give it a go buddies.
 
  Cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
  Judy Miriga
  USA

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Date:  Fri, 9 May 2008 05:44:14 -0700 (PDT)
From:  Judy Miriga
Subject:  Re: Vs: Kisumu City

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Dear All
 
This discourse is appropriate, we need to engage and come up with practical ideas on how to move forward, building on already good suggestions made by Paul, Judy and Bwana Mungla. Last year, I paused a question in this forum entitled, ‘FOOD FOR THOUGHT’, to a particularly Luo audience to debate on how we will benefit from the then imminent Raila presidency (now PM). I recall, there were brilliant ideas brought forward by Okumba Miruka, Barack Abonyo, Meshack Owino and a few others, but there were a minority who thought it was a good question, but wrong timed. We MUST now reflect and address the thrust and content of that question, paraphrasing it in different ways. There is a group of prominent Luos who have coalesced around the need to establish institutions that will allow us to be competitive businesswise with the Abagushi and Kikus and as a consequence they formed ZIWA group, which is currently operating as a cooperative while building its financial base for a full-fledged bank and Insurance companies, which will provide our businesses with financial barking and warranties to engage in more profitable ventures (e.g. making bids in both private companies, parastatals, government agencies, engaging in commercial fish farming, poultry etc). Apart from this, there are a number of initiatives in Kisumu and the larger lake region which deals with micro-economy at a very minimal lever which can also be useful, although great care must be taken before any serious dealings take place for the very simple reasons outlined by Paul below. Fundamentally though, we have social responsibility to discourage our people from over-reliance on HANDOUTS and encourage them to develop production mentality rather than consumer mentality which has contributed to our current sorry state of affairs.

Be blessed
 
Joram Odus
London

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Date:  Fri, 9 May 2008 13:46:18 +0000
From:  Joram Odus
Subject:  RE: Vs: Kisumu City

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  Wuon Nyadoto

While I fully agree with the observations on a number of issues on what keeps us lagging behind and how to jump start the luoism in being actively involved in doing business, attempting to propagate the killing a fellow luo for material wealth cannot be the best antidote for success.

With all good proposals on the table, how do we start? Do we need local and diaspora committees as a spring board? Whichever process we adopt, we need to simply and humble in dealing with others. We need to accept that we are not equal in a number of ways and that my weaknesses as Mungla are other people’s strengths and that way we can move forward. Doing business does not require having many degrees but commitment and resolve to succeed while doing the right things. Ever thought of starting a factory to make bar soaps using cheap Indian technology, what of high quality school (Primary & Secondary)? Look at the Makini’s in Nairobi!!!!!!!!! Are these not some of the areas Kikuyu’s are minting money! How much set up costs are we talking about? All these projects and many others are possible and they can be done with proper goodwill. You start small and you grow.

Richard Mungla
Maputo

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From: Richard Mungla
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Vs: Kisumu City

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Francis Ng’ethe wrote:

You guys have been arguing and discussing your developmental strategies while not forgetting mud-sliding your own people in broad day-light.
 
  Internet has no privacy and therefore cannot pass any brainstorming / planning or advisory test and therefore need to call for action in your future discussions.
 
  And by the way not everyone is comes from luo-nyanza who’s been accessing / receiving these communications?
 
  Ng’ethe.
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    Mr Ng’ethe,
  It seems you do understand the Luos dynamics, luos are thrived in open environment and internal controversies should not be interpreted as  enmity but as measurements of strength in judging and solving problems.
 
  There is no harm of Luos discussing their economical fate freely in an open forum. Luos are social scientists and therefore their culture is built around discussions forums theories as primary abstract statement.
 
  This forums want to explore how and why luos  are extreme poverty in Kenya in comparison with other corrupts community such like the Gikuyus and Asians, after which the appropriate empirical observations can transformed as a test of the theories discussed hereof to gain a sufficient knowledge.
 
  The Mungiki Militias is a thorn in the flesh in Central Province because the Gema secret shady private economical night meetings in 1963.
 
  Your welcome as quest ndugu, but keep kindly your advise for yourself or just spam your way out from the forum.
 
  (“Luos are the Greek philosophers of Africa “, the late Prof ABC Ayaya )
 
  Rev Okoth Otura
  President/Founder,
Christian Democratic Movement of Kenya-(CDMK) &
East Africa Christians Transformation Mission Fellowship-(EACTMF)
  CANADA
www.cdmk.org
www.eactmf.org

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Date:  Fri, 9 May 2008 11:25:57 -0700 (PDT)
From:  ndebele okoth
Subject:  Should being a luo equals extreme poverty in Kenya ?

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Okoth, ma tokoro iloso.  Mano kitwa ero i define – it does not make us lesser socially but wiser, a determined power force to improve life with no painful loads of grudge, a bench mark to future success story.  Good history in the making.  But what do I say!!!!!!!!!!
 
  Enjoy your weekend, Cheers!!!!!!!!!
 
  Judy Miriga
  USA

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Date:  Fri, 9 May 2008 13:25:25 -0700 (PDT)
From:  Judy Miriga
Subject:  Re: Should being a luo equals extreme poverty in Kenya ?