It is unfortunate that with the new knowledge on male circumcision as a possibility of reducing spread of HIV, the Luo council of elders have consistently campaigned against it, spreading all sorts of misinformation and rumors hence denying people an opportunity to reduce the number of new infections.
This is despite the fact that the Luo council of elders is an abstract structure amongst the Luo youths and infants (the main target group of the medical intervention). Ask an ordinary Luo young man or woman (within child bearing age) about the alleged council of elders, they will tell you they know nothing: how it is formed, what they do, who chooses their chair and etc….
Their argument that they are promoting abstinence amongst the youth is baseless since medical male circumcision is not promoted on its own but is being promoted to be adopted to be used alongside other methods of HIV prevention namely Abstinence Condoms and Being faithful.
The young people of the Luo community are therefore against the stand of the unknown and unnecessary Luo council of elders. We have refused to be held hostage by a group of old men who have been overtaken by events and have refused to adopt the new ways of science and life.
LUO COUNCIL OF ELDERS GIN NG’A
Jothurwa.
Atimo mos ni an awuon an jaluo to ok ayango jogi ma luongore ni Luo Council of Elders. Ase bedo ka asomo barupe mogo mag jowadwa e mbui ni ka wuoyo kuom jogi to kata kamano pok ayude baruwa ma nyiso ni to yawagi to gin ji manade. Kuom mano daher mar kwaye ng’at mong’eyo mondo oyanga gi duoko kuom penjo gi:
Luo Council of Elders en ang’o?
Idonje gi pesa koso idonje nono?
Ji madonje oyier gi joluo koso?
Oyier gi nade (method)?
Nying’ no temo nyiso ni gin ji ma otegno (elderly). Ngato nyaka bed ja higni adi eka dobed ja kanyo?
Kaka sani giko ngima mar dhano (life expectancy) e Luo Nyanza en higni 29 kende, jodongo ma jo higni 25 kanyo nyaka 29 bende oyienegi bedo jokanyo.
E gweng’wa ma Kisumo Karateng’, jaduong’ mane ma jakanyo?
Gin gi mbui margi ma di asomie mondo ang’e mang’eny kuomgi?
Ka gichiwo puonj ne jotendwa kak Raila, kata Orengo, kaka aneno ka gise bedo ka gitimo, gichiwe ni gichung’ne (represent) gin giwegi, koso gichiwe kak joma ochung’ ne Luoduto?
Yie ukonya gi duoko jothurwa mong’eyo.
An jakuodho oyie dhaw)
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:14:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Riaga Ogalo
Subject: Male Circumcision and HIV in Luo Nyanza
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Male circumcision is a political scheme to depopulate the Luos
By Rev Okoth Otura
www.eactmf.org
In the 1980’s the Kenya government under Ex-President Moi, perceived Luo wife inheritance, polygamy and ” Chira” traditions and customs cultural practices as the main cause and reason of high rate of HIV/Aids death in Nyanza, the theory which his regime use as tool to eliminates Luos dissidents and population through Health Care Services across the board.
The late Jaramogi Oginga Odinga security intelligence established under classified information in 1990’s, that all Government Hospitals and Clinics in Luo Nyanza were supplied with un-sterile Medical Instruments and thus, many HIV/Aids infections were spread through Un-sterile Medical Injections, Dental/Surgeon Instruments, contaminated multy-dose vials, maternity delivery rooms,( luo children umbilical cords were cut by un-sterile instruments)
A part from other HIV/Aids contraction super highway in luoland, the Kenya government significantly contributed through Health Care Services of transmission and spread among the Luos in Kenya as a persecution due to their opposition stand against the corruption government system.
Despites all these the Luos still overcame this atrocities, and latter Moi had to declare the HIV/Aids a disaster after other tribes were infection increased in alarming rate.
Meanwhile, I support the Luo Counsel of Elders stand to resist the current attempt by the Kenya government to impose male circumcision a health policy on luos. The scientific experience which has failed elsewhere should not be used on the luos just for the sake to please the West. We are perplexed with perpetuation of the Kenya government to have the Luos whip out on the Kenyan map. Let consider:
· Uganda is the leading country in prevention against HIV/Aids in world, with the entire tribes not practicing circumcisions except the Bagisu and the Muslims, and yet they rejected the male circumcision, even threaten to ban the tradition and practice.
· South Africa is the hardest hit with HIV/AIDS despite male circumcision as customary practice by all the tribes and with provision the best Health Care system in the world.
Some luo elites heads the most busy body NGO’s in Kenya under the influenced of the west and therefore, instead of majoring on the major cause of spread of HIV/Aids which is mainly cultural sexual behavioral, poor Health Care Services and poverty, they decided to have Luo community to be their ‘money bag’ ‘Ginny pig’ (By trial and Error) for west.
In fact the HIV/Aids among the west is currently spreading in threaten pace, and yet they are not circumcised. Why don’t they have their people frog match for forceful circumcision before imposition fail system on the Africans?
It devastating for the Luos MPs to keep silent
The battle on the HIV/Aids needs political will, the Luos MP’s and Leaders must step up campaign against this busy body NGO’s trying to intimidated and spread stigma among the luo community.
http://majimbokenya.com/home/2008/07/23/male-circumcision-is-a-political-scheme-to-depopulate-the-luos-in-kenya/
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:19:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: ndebele okoth
Subject: Male circumcision is a political scheme to depopulate the Luos
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Fellows:
This circumcision theory does not fit very well into the scientific world. We do know today a lot how people get the HIV-virus (the virus causing AIDS). There are societies which does not practise circumcision and are still having the lowest number of HIV/AIDS affected people. Take for example Finland, the country does not practice male circumcision and still they have the lowest number of HIV/AIDS almost in the whole world so how do you explain that.
We do know that HIV-virus is transmitted through sexual contact with an infected person, by sharing needles and syringes (primarily for drugs) with some one who is infected. You get HIV through transfusion of infected blood or blood clotting. Babies born to HIV-infected women may become infected before or during birth or through breast feeding after birth. In health care workers have been infected with HIV after being stuck with needles containing HIV-infected blood . We do know that HIV is found in blood, semen, vaginal fluid, breast milk, saliva, tears, urine, feces, vomit of an infected person ( saliva, sweat, tears have low quantity of HIV).
Remember in all the above I have mentioned these words: OF, OR, WITH AN INFECTED PERSON`.
Male circumcision should ONLY be considered s AN ADDITIONAL means of preventing HIV in a region with high prevalence of infection. Circumcision alone DOES NOT prevent from getting the HIV/AIDS. So how does circumcision works: It is believed that the minor surface of the foreskin contains Langerhan`s cells with HIV receptors, these cells are likely to be the primary point of viral entery into the penis of uncircumsied. I personally and some other doctors do not believe this theory as such. What we do know is that men who are not circumcised do have soft skin penis head or the region where the forskin joins the penis is soft and during sexual intercourse some end up getting injury easily and through those injured points or vessels the HIV enters the blood stream. The circumcised individual loses almost all these soft sensitive skin and in life the outer part of the penis head get to be just as hard as the ordinary outer protective skin which hardly get injured during sexual intercourse.
We do know today that you cannot get HIV/AIDS through food, drink, you can not get it through towels, or sheets, you can not get it from swimming pools, toilet seats, in social contact, hugging, touching.
PREVENTION:
-Condoms have been proved to be very effective during sexual contact with an individual who has the HIV or any person you are not sure of.
_ Avoid unpretective sex.
-Luos should just avoid wife inheritance, especially widows whose husbands have died of HIV/AIDS, This is the major TABU in luoland and can be one of the major reason why in Nyanza there is relatively higher rates of HIV/AIDS disease. Or many wives where one man hardly satisfies all, therfore some women end up looking for passion outside the marriage.
– Frunkness, being just and telling the truth about HIV/AIDS, and people who have the disease should stop infecting the innocent ones. Some shot of punishment to those who go on intesionaly infecting others.
– Mothers with HIV should be identified earlier and incase of pregnancy should be given anti HIV drug and bresat feeding should be prohibited on these infected women.
-Hospitals should be provided with dispossible needles, scapels, gloves,paper clothes, syringes etc.
_Physicians or nurses who have HIV should be prohibited from carry delicate operations where it is easy to cut himself and his blood end up entering the patients blood . Or Doctors operating on HIV patients should also be very careful not to get cutting themselves during operation or stuck by the same needles they have used on patients.
– Drug addicts should be provided with free sterile and dispossible needles and syringes etc.
CIRCUMCISION ALONE DOES NOT PREVENT FROM GETTING THE HIV/AIDS; PEOPLE JUST NEED TO WAKE UP AND KNOW THAT AND IT IS THE TRUTH. having sex with an healthy perway or avoiding having sex with people you do not know their HIV status.
I will leave you with these words; `Do not worry that others have failed to appreciate your talent; worry that you have not yet discovered and eliminated your own faults. Further, to recognize your own faults without working to eliminate them is truly WRONG`. So luos forget about circumcision but remember to eliminate your FAULTS. Mps can only make sure that the hospitals are equiped with dispossible, needles, operative instruments, syringes etc, arrange for sexual education in schools or in public places etc. BUT the MPs will hardly tell you who your sexual partner is or with whom you should go to bed with. Each and every man or woman will have to carry his/her own cross on this issue.
Paul Nyandoto
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:27:50 +0300
From: Paul Nyandoto
Subject: Vs: Male circumcision is a political scheme to depopulate the Luos