Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:06:55 +0000 [11/21/2008 01:06:55 AM CST]
From: Nganga Joe Mungai
Subject: NON-MILITANT REVOLUTION

I have been watching the political scene as issues develop, just like everybody else with interest for a number of reasons. Forget all the others but this is the major one; I am a Kenyan and I love my country.

Read on but you may not like me for what you will read but I care the less. Its brunt but painful to some but I believe it’s healthy to most of the folks.

We need a REVOLUTION in this country. Make no mistake about it, not a military revolution. I do not and will never ever advocate a military one.

The revolution I am talking about is one where we refuse to go to work, refuse to be governed by the idiots that our politicians have become.

We have to stop these politicians from messing our lives!

They kill, they steal, they incite us through our miseries key among them joblessness and poverty to rise against one another etc,etc etc and all we do is keep quiet!

WE NEED A REVOLUTION LEAD BY THE YOUTH !LEAD BY SELFLESS YOUTH. Forget the Kibakis,Railas,Kiunjuris,Orengos,Kajuangs,Kabando wa Kabandos ,Rutos etc etc of this world.They all have one mission to exploit you to the bone.

I was in Kenya recently and I stood outside the Westgate Shopping mall.I saw the wealthy do their shopping ,drive off in the immaculate cars.The next day i went to the village I come from and what is there is abject poverty!

I am coming back to Kenya in January 2009 and will be part of the revolution that I believe at some point has to happen.

How many of you are willing to stand and be counted?

Nice weekend

Joe Nganga

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:46:53 +0000 [11/21/2008 01:46:53 AM CST]
From: mathias aguta
Subject: RE: NON-MILITANT REVOLUTION

Hello Nganga,

Thank you for your concern for Kenya. The peaceful revolution you suggest is a great idea but in an impoverished country like ours we know that withdrawal of labour (sit-ins, strikes, picketing) rarely bears any results. Poor workers, in need of their daily bread, fearful of the cosequences of losing a job will always troop back to work amid threats and intmidations from employers, ably supported by government. Refusal to go to work, with our incompetent and copmromised trade unions will only hurt those we’re out to help. We’ve seen leaders call for demos and strikes but are impotent to help those laid off following stikes; retreating to their comfort zones as soon as the going gets tough. That’s the reality of a poor nation and a poor people.

I do not know what you mean by “refuse to be governed” by… and undersatnd not how that can be implemented.

What I understand is that you, like majority of Kenyans, are fed up with our style of politics and governance. We should and must do something about it.

I believe the one and ONLY powerful revolution must remain the power of the vote. If citizens use this tool correctly, without selfish influences, they will send a more powerful message to thier failed leaders. A massive defeat of a government at a free, fair,open and well-managed electoral process, where well-informed voters make well-informed political choices, is a far more effective revolution than one where the intention is to make the country ungovernable, leading to suffering and misery to many.

Joe, yes we need a revolution. The form of the revolution is the question. In my view, the youth can and should be sensitized, with political messages and and the need to stand up for their rights. They must then be called upon to execute an electoral revolution – where all leaders who have failed us are voted out.

We have started by calling on our MPs to pay tax on their incomes. This message must be disseminated to the youth to carry on. We must move on to targeting individual leader who do not live up to the peoples’ expectations. These must be publicised, made known to our youth who must carry on the momentum. At election time, if such leaders will not have resigned from office, Kenyans must mount an all-out campaign, without borders, to vote them out.

Can we start with the 1012 elections in mind?

Mathias.

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:43:03 +0000 [11/21/2008 02:43:03 AM CST]
From: Nganga Joe Mungai
Subject: Re: NON-MILITANT REVOLUTION

I heard a very intersting story about how Kenyatta grabbed the infamous Gicheha farm near Nakuru town.
He was looking for some land to grab and was being driven in his car with mama Ngina.
The old man was feeling sleepy and he told his guys my land starts here and will end when I am awake .The old guy slept as the driver drove on and on.After quite some time Mama Ngina saw some two bulls fighting and woke Mzee up to watch the bull fight.Mzee said ‘weka Beacon Hapo’ to mark the further end of his land

We need Gicheha farm amongst other farms grabbed by the past and present leaders returned.We hear they want compensation for having stolen our land.The have built factories like Brookeside dairies,Spectare International, etc,etc offered a handful of Kenyans employment just to hoodwink us!

We NEED A REVOLUTION!

Joe

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:30:38 +0300 [11/21/2008 03:30:38 AM CST]
From: Otieno Hongo
Subject: Re: NON-MILITANT REVOLUTION

Dear Mathias,

When the same government controls the electoral process, then it is difficult to achieve this through the ballot as well, we all saw what happened last year. Peaceful revolution can take many forms, just read the writings of Gandhi for example. Gandhi’s philosophy of non-cooperation with the oppressor worked in India until the British left by their own volition. What we might need is to look at ways of refusing to cooperate with the political class. When Gandhi said that he would use salt to bring down the British Empire, the british governor and his cronies had a good laugh but when everybody started making their own salt and boycotting the British factory salt, the brits could not beleive it and had to plead with the Mahatma to stop his protest. To Gandhi, salt was but a metaphor. We can find our metaphor…I leave the rest to your imagination.

Regards,
Hongo

http://blog.jaluo.com/?p=1666
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:05:47 +0000 [11/19/2008 11:05:47 PM CST]
From: barack abonyo
Subject: CAN RAILA WIN THE PRESIDENCY IF THE ELECTIONS ARE CALLED NOW?

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Barack,

First, my 10th great grandfather Ragem agrees that this is a fair question but it is damaged. It is as good as asking: if elections were held today, would Gore beat Bush? Remove Kibaki out of the question and ask whether Raila could beat Bifuoli Wakoli, Ruto, Karua, Uhuru, Saitoti or Kalonzo.

Be it as it may, we both are in agreement that Raila beat Kibaki before, but Kibaki rigged himself in through the eye of the electoral commission. Despite the dark period we went through, I put it to all and sundry that even though the diplomats think it’s not business as usual, NOTHING HAS CHANGED in Kenya, and they care less. All they care for is calm and peace that benefits them. I will explain my point later. I say nothing has changed in Kenya to allow anyone else to win at this time because the old constitution and institutions, (Kivuitu, Wako, Gicheru) are still effectively in place.

If you asked whether Raila can still craft a formidable coalition, woo and win voters from the rift to the coast, east to west, north to north-east and even win the election hypothetically, the answer is yes. But this is inconsequential because Karua, Kilonzo, Michuki, Saitoti, Uhuru, Musyoka, Mirungi and the afoe mentioned institutions, will not allow it. They will succeed in holding on to power because NOTHING HAS CHANGED in Kenya, at least not yet.

I hold the position that the donor community participated in promoting the historical injustices by funding Kenyatta’s, Moi’s and Kibaki’s administrations despite solid evidence of corruption therein. Because they have significant stake in Kenya in investment and as a strategic location, the donor community would rather allow and support a bloated cabinet, and look away when MPs vote to increase their allowances and even refuse to pay taxes. Now you understand why some cannot sign a petition directed at these same interested criminals. Just look at how they cannot stop simple pirates operating dhows hijack ships off Kenya and Somali cost, and how quickly they are willing to pay ransom in the name of capitalism. It is the same spirit they have in pumping donor money to Kenyan parliamentarians so that they can continue to vacation, trade and hold their strategic interest intact.

There is hope however. The energy being used to hold together political alliances need to be harnessed and channelled towards changing our constitution and let federalism prevail. All our tribal leaders will negotiate the interest of their regions from a position of strength. Past injustices, including those stemming from the recent post election violence have their remedy in this solution. This to me seem to be issue we need a Joshua for, and not reducing salaries.

Barack, you have the energy that need channeling to the right place. You too can be The One. Or are you that one?

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:05:01 -0500 [11/20/2008 09:05:01 PM CST]
From: Joram Ragem
Subject: Re: CAN RAILA WIN THE PRESIDENCY IF THE ELECTIONS ARE CALLED NOW?

http://blog.jaluo.com/?p=1655
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:11:23 +0300 [05:11:23 AM CST]
From: john maina
Subject: Re: Ragem’s Response To Kumekuchas article Copied Below.

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I pick the two arguments – by Tom and Kumekucha – because it’s my considered view that they represent the dilema that Kenya is in at this critical time in our history.

For too long, it’s been well-documented, we slept on our problems. I have writen befoer that we inherited a problem of governance from our colonial masters and we swept it under the carpet. The monster had to outgrow its cage and this it did last December, with the able support of our ineptitude at managing political transistion.

It must be noted that the Kenyan voter of 2007 was a voter who understands his rights and will vote, not with the stomach but, with conscience. This is avoter that we must be prepared to live with for eternity. Kenya’s voting trends will never be the same again. You steal peoples’ votes, their rights, and your must bear the consequences of their wrath. That’s exactly whta happened between December 31st 2007 and March 2008.

History will record that some politicians took advantage of the situation and threw in gasoline into embers of fire. But the truth is that all Kenyans, especially our immediate post-independence leaders and their successors, hid time bombs that were bound to explode in their faces. The pre-2007 voters were very able collaboratotrs in mismanaging Kenya’s political development. We must, at this juncture find immediate and long-lasting solutions to our problems. All historical injustices, much blamed for the December 2007 elections fiasco, must be addressed even as we seek to punish the perpetrators of the near-genocide that was committed immediately after the elctions.

To seek to punish only thos ewho violently expressed their frustrations at the injustices committed against the majority bythe the minority for 45 years will be seeking to dress a festering wound without anihilating the pathogens that caused the wound in the first place.

So, where do we go from here? I must remind every one of the Makau Mutua (?) Commission that recommended a Truth, Justice and Reconciliation Commission. We must all agree that we’ve sinned against each other for too long – some sinned against more than others – and the only anwer to our problem is a collective repentance of our sins, seek forgiveness from our neighbours and create a new Kenya where all will forver live in harmony. Carrying the burden of anger and hate will only futher stoke satan’s fires that might consume us all.

The problem with Kenya is one of “short-termism”, seeking short-term measures to long term problems. We must be careful this time around. Otherwise we will re-ignite fires impossible to extinguish.

Some of us have lived thruogh these injustices, we know the pain and agony we’ve faced but we must now ensure that these injustices, anger, frustrations and poor political leadership are not passed on to our children and grand-children The time to do this is now. This, to me, is more important the the temporary relief and satisfaction that will ensue from seing a post-2007 election criminal hauled before the Corts at the Hague.Mathias.

Mathias

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:49:59 +0000 [11/20/2008 02:49:59 PM CST]
From: mathias aguta
Subject: RE: Ragem’s Response To Kumekuchas article Copied Below.

http://blog.jaluo.com/?p=1664
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:24:58 +0300 [11/19/2008 11:24:58 PM CST]
From: Leonard Otieno
Subject: Re: Let’s Go Federalism and save Kenya

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Gibson,

You just provided, inadvertently, a good answer to your questions. For 45 years we’ve been in a hole and we continue digging – hence sinking deeper and deeper into our own political hole. When shall we stop digging? When shall we call for a ladder out of the hole?

We’ve been on experiment after experiment, every five years with leaders who will never think of Kenya but themselves. We have begged to be served by leaders (actually our employees) without success, yet we renew their contracts every five years.

May be Kenya has grown too big for the small minds of our politicians. Just like in business, when a product line grows too large for our staff, we departmentalise, create manageable units with expert managers and staff to concetrate on what they understand best. We must departmentalise Kenya until such a time as a leader will be born who will re-ignite the fire of patriotism and nationalism in our people. May be in the next century, a true messiah will be born, a true son of Kenya – not a Kisii, or Luo, or Kikuyu, or Luhya or Kalenjin son. But a son of Kenya. Who knows, he might re-unite Kenya, abolish the majimbos and give birth to a new Kenya, devoid of political mediocrity and tribal bigotry.

Yes, we must have have a dream for a new Kenya. Before we realise the dream, we must re-invent Kenya, get it back to the beginning.Till then our small political minds must not be overburdened by too big a political unit. We simply do not have a leader, now, to shoulder the burden of governing such a huge country – Kenya. The current crop of pseudo-politicians, if left to continue thus, will anihilate this country. Before they do so, let’s departmentalise it so that they can break it piece by piece, instead of crushing the whole heavy thing.

Mathias.

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:55:45 +0000 [11/20/2008 01:55:45 PM CST]
From: mathias aguta
Subject: RE: Let’s Go Federalism and save Kenya

If PNU pulls out of the coalition today, Can Raila win the election in Kanya today?

Assume Kibaki is running again.

An answer accompanied by intelligent analysis void of psychofancy and biaseness is encouraged. Tribal king pins are encouraged to skip it.

Barack

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:05:47 +0000 [11/19/2008 11:05:47 PM CST]
From: barack abonyo
Subject: CAN RAILA WIN THE PRESIDENCY IF THE ELECTIONS ARE CALLED NOW?

Wow, mathias,
I personally think you are right.

Kenya can be a better state if we have majimbos.

I know some politicians politicized the Majimbo isssue to the extent that majority of us did not understand its full meaning.

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:24:58 +0300 [11/19/2008 11:24:58 PM CST]
From: Leonard Otieno
Subject: Re: Let’s Go Federalism and save Kenya

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http://blog.jaluo.com/?p=1660
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:01:31 +0000 [11:01:31 AM CST]
From: mathias aguta
Subject: Let’s Go Federalism and save Kenya

Kenya as country was cobbled together by the British Empire for their own selfish interests. Those interests were served while the empire lasted till our independence form Britain in 1963.

On taking over or forefathers, in their wisdom, chose to continue running the new nation ( really many nations brought together by the British fo make Kenya) on the same political arrangements that were British in organisation but very un African in political culture. They abolished our Kingdoms, tribal Chieftaincies – the very basis for ferderalism – and forced us to accept centralised leadership by leaders that would be unacceptable by the diverse nations that make up Kenya.

I think it’s time to revert to our traditional political organisation, each nation forming a jimbo under a governor (paramount Chief) each with its own government, with elected “nationals” to the central government. In other words, let us go back to majimbo to rid the country of all the tribal distrust, unfair distribution of national resources, and the culture of “our turn to eat” – the ruling tribe’s turn to loot the national coffers for the benefit of only a few within the tribe.

In South Sudan, a country at war for over 20 years, ferdearlism is working well. Each of the ten states have their own parliaments and governments. The central government retains certain clearly spelt out powers and there is no inter-state conflicts. The Governor is the “Head of State” for teh State governments while the National President is the current 1st Deputy Vice President of the Government of National Unity put together via the CPA signerd in Nairobi in 2005. Peace reigns in South Sudan, national development projects are proceeding at a pace that woul shame Kenya, while each state is engaged in local governance and own development projects. A country with more tribes than Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Burundi, Rwanda (put together) there are no visible tribal tensions.

Let William Ruto, Raila Odinga, Najib Balala, Ole Ntimama, Martha Karua, Uhuru Kenyatta, Musalia Mudavadi, et al confine their suprmacy wars within their states and allow others to deal with their own governance issues without dragging in the whole country.

Kenya can learn a lesson or two from SS.

Mathias.

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:01:31 +0000 [11:01:31 AM CST]
From: mathias aguta
Subject: Let’s Go Federalism and save Kenya

I had my article I wrote about Barack Obama and somehow I lost it without saving so I despaired and left the office. That was on 5th November 2008.

I have observed Kenyans for a while and it amazes me how we think. I asked a few friends, and that’s what Barack said while he was here in Kenya, that if his mother hadn’t rescued him, he would be languishing somewhere in Nyanza, rather, he thinks the abandonment by the dad saved him from becoming “another great son of the Luo”. He said that by himself after seeing the suffering of his siblings here in Kenya. He was of course sad he has no one to call dad. But sleeping on a mkeka, taking an overcrowded “7 a side” matatu to the market with shimwelo (basket) balancing on the head, and walking long distance to get to the potholed roads inspired him.

I looked at the great minds that could have changed our destiny – Robert Ouko was burned beyond recognition at Got Alila, JM thrown to the dogs in the forest for a meal, Pio Pinto, Tom Mboya felled by a stupid felony on Moi Avenue, and so many other Baracks. All dead, and we ask why we are 50 years behind South Korea. We killed our own, and celebrate our diaspora who can’t help us.

I remember one Hon Ochuodho (who remembers him, anyway, he’s another great Luo) talk at the Naivasha retreat about a Kenyan at the International Atomic Institute, he was supposed to inspect Nuclear installations, wewe, he’s a Kikuyu. Eeeeh, another Kikuyu. He’s not respected at all at all at all, by Kenyans. Just like Wangari Maathai and Ngugi Wa Thiong’o (we had to rape his wife, shame on Kenya) amongst the others. Kwani nini mbaya na sisi?

A man called Mugabe Were, taking care of widows and orphans in Dandora, he’d been a beacon of hope to the defenseless. Who remembers him? Can we remember Prof. Mbai? Or where Prof. Ghai teaches nowadays? Can we comprehend these people?

Guys, let us go back to the basics. Gas has jumped from 1,600 to 2,700, and there’s no shortage of gas (now gas costs more than petrol, gas is not taxed, and is harvested freely from mother nature), unga is 89, and our income is less than 70/= per day. cooking oil, eeeeh, lets not go there. Power bills? public transport, shambles and overcharging. Everything is amiss here in Kenya. And we just go about our responsibilities as if everything is normal. …. and we dare celebrate the victory of one single Kenyan rescued by the wazungu’s. We are a lost generation. I need a hanky, I can feel the weight of our carelessness as Kenyans.

A useless Kenyan lawmaker (local) is paid three times what a Senator of the USA (global lawmaker) takes home. Joe Biden has to take a train ride everyday to see the family in Pennsylvania, when did you hear a Kenyan MP taking a train to Mbooni or Makueni to see their constituent dying due to lack of food? Tell me if they would ever board the filthy shacks called RVR?

Our time is now. Lets fear not the impunity. Lets keep vigil and attack at the right time and moment, just like Barack Obama measured.
Probably, he would not had made it if he allowed Hillary to run first. Now lets emulate this great mind. Lets not get cowed if the eminent Right Honourable Raila Amolo, PM of the Republic of Kenya decides to run in 2012. I dare dream, and that in 2012, we’re gonna have a person different from Odinga’s and Kenyatta’s and Moi’s and the other old hands, let them turn the baton to a new generation of progressive leadership. A generation that thinks at the speed of light and not snail mail. The page is turning. Yes, We Can change the destiny of this wonderful nation, this country we call our country, this land we call our motherland, this nation we behold, a nation like no other, a country we love. Yes We Can.

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:39:11 -0800 [08:39:11 AM CST]
From: Kenfish
Subject: Kenyans Turning The Page

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:09:48 +0300 [02:09:48 AM CST]
From: Franklyne Terewa
Subject: Re: Raila is wrong.

Judy,u possed the question to jeff,but before he comes in,let me point out that raila got some votes during the elections obviously from his voters,one of them from jeff as he puts it in his messege,but am hoping that this does not spark another thread of tribal reactions in form of information and or clarifications.am tired of this arguements whether healthy or not. I have a suggestion….!

On 11/19/08, judy kaiguire wrote:

l have refused to get into this political debate but the bug bit me….Jeff please tell us who Raila’s voters were since your text suggests some definition

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:49:08 -0800 [12:49:08 AM CST]
From: odhiambo okecth
Subject: Re: Raila is wrong.

Jeff,

We did not sing haki yetu to entrench impunity.

We did not sing haki yetu to protect thieves and murderers.

We did not sing hai yetu to undermine the rule of law. I will explain.

If you are old enough to have witnessed the regime of Mzee Jomo Kenyatta, you will agree with me that he planted the seeds that have today blossomed to full and active tribalism. Kenyatta was best suited to set Kenya on the right track but he missed it.

Instead, he became a victim of tribal chauvenists and his reign will go down in history as having failed Kenya to steer clear in the right path. He pressided over segregated economic policy. His economic policy did not take into account the oneness of Kenya.

He came up with the help of Kibaki and Michuki with a sessional paper that crowded all industries in Thika. Fish was harvested in Nyanza and sent to Thika for processing. Maize was planted in Kitale but sent to Thika for drying. Macademia was planted in Mombasa but sent to Thika for processing….

This meant that Kenyans worked had enough, but ended up spending their well earned money in Thika with the attendent results of Thika developing at the detriment of the rest of Kenya.

This was a bad economic paper.

When kenyatta died, Mzee Moi had all the time to rectify these mistakes and put Kenya on the right track. He failed miserably. And all Kenyans know the disastrous consequences of his reign.

Kenyans said enough was enough and in 2002, we all voted as a nation for Mzee Kibaki, a son of the status quo. We had mistakenly believed that he could achieve what Moi and Kenyatta had failed to achieve before him.

We were mistaken, for in only 8 months, Kibaki’s administration had come up with the mother of all scums, the Anglo Leasing Scandal. Therein, Kenya lost money that was unbelieveable. And under Kibaki’s watch, life has become unbearable for the common man.

It is with this in mind that Kenyans from all corners of the country joined in the ODM wave to sing haki yetu. We were convinced that we must take charge of Kenya and shape it to what we want.

We wanted a Kenya with equal access to all opportunities. A Kenya where you apply for a job and you win on merit, not on the persuation of your tribe.

We wanted a Kenya where we all look at each other as brothers and sisters, not a Kenya where I look at you as a Kikuyu, a Luo, a Luyha, a Kamba, a Kalenjin et al.

We wanted a Kenya where all government contracts are spread across the country, not just concentrated in a few known hands.

We wanted a Kenya where state jobs are dished out across the country, not like the currently obtaining situation.

That is why we all sany yote yanawezekana.

Are we being truthful when one threatens to move out of ODM because his people are not being protected? Being protected from what?

I bet The Rt Hon Raila Odinga must protect all Kenyans from the effects of Mau destruction.

I bet Raila has to protect all Kenyans from the effects of bad governance.

I bet Raila must shoulder all our burdens in achieving one Kenya where all have equal access to all opportunities.

If Raila must protect all of us, he must also protect all of us from the thieves of yesterday.

Odhiambo T Oketch,
Komarock Nairobi.

— On Tue, 11/18/08, Jeff wrote:

From: Jeff
Subject: Raila is wrong.
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 9:34 PM

A friend of mine called me in the morning lauding the move Raila has taken on the Mau and Waki report.

I maintained my stand that you cannot betray your kids, in this case, your voters. We all sang “Ni haki yetu” and “No Justice No Peace”. And Now the choir master is telling us he was not with us and all was NOISE.

Raila should being a sycophant to Mt. Kenya and represent his voters.

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:49:19 +0300 [12:49:19 AM CST]
From: Osendo Omore
Subject: Re: Ragem’s Response To Kumekuchas article Copied Below.

I won’t go into the political implications of Raila’s call to implement the Waki report lest I tie myself into knots. However, I do not underestimate his political wit and judging from the past, I have confidence that he still has a few good moves in his bag of tricks to emerge victorious…politically.

However, Kumekucha’s article seems to insinuate that Raila wants to send “our sons and daughters to the Hague”. This fear and obsessions with the Hague has made numeorus Kenyans (those for and anti-Hague) forget about the provision of a local special tribunal made by Waki and his team. The Waki report is not just about the Hague! Raila has just called for and supported the full implementation of the Waki report recommendations which includes the setting up of the local tribunal.

I would also urge the MPs who are against Raila’s call for full implementation (citing it as sending people to the Hague) to then walk the talk and set up a local tribunal, anchored in the constitution with all loopholes sealed to protect it from legal attacks.

As for those who have rejected the report in toto, is akin to throwing the baby out with the bath water and assuming that post December 2007, life should proceed as normal (like post 1992,1997 and 2002). Woe unto us!

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:11:23 +0300 [05:11:23 AM CST]
From: john maina
Subject: Re: Ragem’s Response To Kumekuchas article Copied Below.

Raila’s decision to support the waki report is the absolute correct decision to make, considering that the guys named are responsible for funding and organising genocide in our country as a leader whether they supported you or not is besides the point. Lets face it, the rift valley leaders named were planning for a genocide whether Raila won or not. This people are warlords who can cause nothing but trouble…Let them go to the hague together with the Central warloads that were organising the killings in Naivasha.

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http://blog.jaluo.com/?p=1652
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:37:04 -0500 [01:37:04 PM CST]
From: Joram Ragem
Subject: Ragem’s Response To Kumekuchas article