Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:34:59 +0300 [12:34:59 PM CDT]
From: Carl Mullwoh
Subject: Re: PEV Healing, Kiambaa vs other Vicitims!!

Bro Will,
Did you read what Sungu wrote? Did you listen/watch the news or read the newspapers the next day? If that was a memorial to you, then there is a word called a “Reverie”.. this applies to what you seem to have seen and heard. In this “memorial” in your reverie, there were coffins brother, coffins of 14people, kenyans brutally murdered in broad daylight..

In the attendance register, Mr. President.. present sir!, Mr. PM..absent sir!, mr. area mp.. absent sir! ODM..all absent sir! Mr PNU..most present sir..!

You don’t don’t need to analyse some things, you just see them in black and white.. this country sometime is full off pretence and and hypocrisy.. lets not be part of it.
You are doing exactly what you are telling the rest not to do my brother… analyzing and “getting heated up” to defend some side in total ignorance of facts…
I recommend you look for these resounding words; “It was better while we waited. Now we have nothing to look forward to. We have killed our past and are busy killing our future…”.

“Wake up men… it is time to go”(found in the same book) out of PNU and ODM and be kenyan.. look at truth independent of kabila

carl

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Will Keku wrote:

Sungu,

I agree with you, however I think the issue should not be looked at from the angle you have choosen. The idea that some people persive that Kiambaa victims are the only victims is immoral to even concieve. One community desided to have a memorial organised. Why do the other people not do the same? Why doesnt someone organise a memorial for Naivasha, for Kisumu and many other areas.? What good reason can ODM have for refusing to attend a memorial service? What good reason do they have for not organising memorial service for other areas? Why do we look at every action as PNU or ODM?
Please note, reconciliation will only be seen to happen if we stop this non-sense of analysing any action as ODM and PNU. Can someone organise a memorial service for other victims and see whether Kenyans will attend. I say Kenyans because both ODM and PNU and others are KENYANS.

Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 05:45:12 -0700 [05/16/2009 07:45:12 AM CDT]
From: odhiambo okecth
Subject: Re: PEV Healing, Kiambaa vs other Vicitims!!

For true peace, national healing and reconciliation to take root, we must stop being more clever than our neighbours.

We must engage in constant dialogue and do things above board.

It must start with the President. If the Rt Hon Raila Odinga was tear gassed during the mass service for the people who were killed in Kibera in February last year, why must the President think that Kenyans will give him accolades for going to bury the people who died in that church 17 months ago?

If the President kept silent as the people of Nyanza, Western, Nairobi, Rift Valley, Coast, Eastern and North Eastern buried their many deads, killed by police in defense of Kibaki, what makes the President think that Kenyans will give him accolades for going to bury the people who died 17 months ago?

The many Kenyans who were killed in the Post Election Violence were buried long time ago. We were in the process of healing the wounds when the President himself officiates to have them ripped off. It is painful.

The Kalenjins lost many people. The Luhya lost many people. The Luo lost many people. The Kisii lost many people. The Kikuyu lost many people. And we all burried our dead, then.

What wisdom was it to keep others for this long and only spring a surprise state burial now?

This is coming at a time when PNU is pushing to have our Provinces sub-divided for their convenience. Surely, why cant our leaders leave the Kikuyu alone to work in harmony with all other Kenyans?

Why are the Kikuyu leadership hell bent on antagonizing the Kikuyu with other Kenyans. The Kikuyu must rise up and put a stop to this. You are as Kenyan as all other Kenyans.

And you must not be set against your colleagues in Kenya. We are all awake to the shenanigans these people are playing with power and we must resist it.

The Kikuyus must be left alone to intergrate with all other Kenyans. This includes voting for other Kenyans, including for the Presidency.

Odhiambo T Oketch,
Komarock Nairobi.

— On Sat, 5/16/09, Kombo Ogaro wrote:

From: Kombo Ogaro
Subject: Re: PEV Healing, Kiambaa vs other Vicitims!!
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 4:17 AM

Sungu,

Well illustrated. The Rwanda genocide thought many people numerous lessons:

1. An evil foeign regime was being imposed on them after the hineous death of their president. Even your friend can betray you to the worst enemy

2. Both innocent and the perpetrators suffered the consequences during and after the war

3. Chidlren and women fell victims of the highest order.

4. It was a case of arms, supply of weapons from outside, different faction with different intentions.

5. True healing started after recognising that a nation will be swept and taken over by worms.

President Kagame, victorious tunred the table upside down and become the President. Ahe embarked on reconciliatin rather than accusations and counter accusation. Different from our true tatse of the Molo Massacre during the Moi era, several tribal clashes were evident everywhere. Leaders capitalised on the recent violence and blamed largely political leaders. the politician later too turned to blame church leader for not taking a good position.

Now the game is never ending we keep talking until our President a ‘book to read and a movie to watch’. We shed crocodile tears when we see justice being delayed and denied. The funders of the genocide are t large in comfort of thei zones just liek President Bashir is escaping the Darfur genocide. The same guys are occupying ministerial positions.

What we needed was a nullfication of the elections – entire and nothing less. ITS BETTER TO SPEND EXTRA TO MAKE THINGS WORK. Buy cheap buy twice! We are paying double now: a floated divisive cabinet that will continue to grample and wanton like MPs who will be bought to defeat the casue of justice, and suffering millions Kenyans with escalating incidences of mini corruption and grand corruptions.

Unlike Rwanda which has almost eradicated corruptions, the Kenyan face is that of Robert Mugabe, who has ruined the country and brought it to its knees. Slowly Yoweri Kaguta Museveni’s wanton style of leadership is a case study of a liberator slowly becoming the Mobutu. He will loose respect and no more legacy will be left.

Africa is in a verge of a new wave – stealing election, and geting into colations – having same dictators in power! Kenya sets the string straight, we are thinking differently and sooner our citizen wont cry the same cry like before. New leadership is waiting 2012 or sooner and soon we will be matching a grand match to the parley gates of state house to separate the chaff from the grains. We will evoke memories of great poets like Okot Bitek and enumerate great men like Nelson Mandela. We dismantle the bitter cry and instal the sweet sounds of wailing mothers praising the new born century. The end of our misery will be the begginign of God given wealth, riches and good governance and democracy. Our children and grand children will admire the pillars created, the possession of our land, and the freedom with good moral values and principles.

As a citadel, Kenya will extend its borders of good governance to the rest of AFRICA and the World. Once we get rid of the chaff in the juduciary, treasury, govenrment office – we would have ensured that we have a mentorship approach destroying the mornachial system currently we are in. Freedom of the press, association, guarantedd free provison of health to all, regulated financial markets, investor confidence, free education for all – Kenya stand as a citadel!

Kombo Eijah

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:45 AM, otieno sungu wrote:
Given that this country needs to heal and move on, and given that communities that were affected by the PEV need to be brought together in a true healing process, it is instructive to note that all ODM MPs kept away from the mass burial of the Kiambaa victims.

The question that begs answers is, are we really on the path to healing? Is political gain and/or losses played out in the whole issue?

While it is all good to accord the all the PEV victims a decent and dignified send off, it should be across the board.

What is coming out is that one side of the devide wishes to project the Kiambaa PEV fire victims as the “only” victims of PEV. There were those who were burnt in Naivasha by youths perceived to be PNU just as the Kiambaa ones are perceived to have been torched by ODM youths.Then there were the youths killed in Kisumu, hundreds of them by police, are some “more Kenyan” than others or the pedigree matters here?

Giving prominence to one groups and behaving like the others do not deserve recognition as PEV victims only breeds resentment.

As things stand, we are right back to December 2007 and nothing has changed, only a lull before another storm.

True reconciliation is like the Rwanda type, where honesty and truth guides the process, not political expidiency and a “we are te victims” attitude. Both sides committed attrocities and this must be acknowledged by both sides in a true healing process.

Recognition should be accorded to all PEV victims and compensation chanelled to all affected groups. As long as when one side of government mean PNU supporters only when they talk PEV, nothing will change and even those who have moved back to their homes will not be at ease with their neigbours.THis has been the scenario when compensating IDPs too.

Let us start being honest with each other and resolve this issue of reconciliation,not aggravate things.

We must remember that the “victims” from all sides will keep being victims if we do not exorcise the ghost of PEV properly.

Otieno Sungu.
Juba-Southern Sudan.