from Lee Makwiny 10:14 am (12 hours ago)
date Sep 8, 2009 10:14 AM
subject Re: Complete Mount Kenya Takeover of Government
Christine, we are watching. And they are fast to sack people from other tribes. But Kenya will be free soon. I also dont think its fair to lump up people since these are a clique. The only problem is that the common people from the region, even in this forum, will jump to their defense and justify all their actions.
from Ernest OYUGI 10:10 am (12 hours ago)
date Sep 8, 2009 10:10 AM
subject Re: Complete Mount Kenya Takeover of Government
pliz u may as well add the ENERGY SECTOR!!!!!!!!!
just list and seee………
from Christine Baraza 8:27 am (14 hours ago)
date Sep 8, 2009 8:27 AM
subject Complete Mount Kenya Takeover of Government
With the most current reshuffle, it is now a complete takeover of government by Mount Kenya natives and 2012 looks more and more bleak for anyone who thought that Reforms were on the way. Tribalism has been entrenched and the same tribalists are the ones crying tribalism-the latest convert to this cry is Minister Robinson Githae joining Uhuru Kenyatta, Amos Kimunya and Kiraitu Murungi.
Kenyans take a look. If you want to retain power-you need only to control two sectors of the country-The FORCES and the MONIES. Thats complete for the Mount Kenya plans and Kenyan may just forget that DEMOCRACY is coming to Kenya soon. Look at this list no kidding this is REAL
KENYA FORCES:
1.Police Commissioner-Mathew Iteere
2.APs Commandant-Kinuthia Mbugua
3.Director of CID-Simon Karanja
4.Director-NSIS-Michael Gichangi
4.Deputy Chief of General Staff-Julius Waweru Karangi
KENYA FINANCES/MONIES
1.Minister for Finance-Uhuru Kenyatta
2.PS Finance-Joseph Kinyua
3.Head of Budget-J.B Ngugi
4.Governor-Central Bank-Njuguna Ndungu
5.Chiarman KRA-John Waweru
6.Head of KAAC-Aaron Ringera
Its amazing that Mount Kenya leaders are crying Tribalism to hoodwink other Kenyans who are known to fear the word Tribalism. They are the REAL TRIBALISTS in this country called Kenya. Kenyans if we dont wake up then we are headed to the same same things that happened in 2012. Sycophants like Musyoka will sing Kibaki as Kenya GOES TO THE DOGS. Kenyans cant afford such levels of TRIBALISM. Please Kenyans lets wake up.Lets wake up..Let our leaders point out this TRIBALISM…Its Killing this beautiful country called KENYA.
From: ABBY OTIENO
Subject: Re: Tribalists Uhuru, Murungi and Kimunya
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 5:14 AM
i hve realised that, this politicians normally bring some issues to cover our eyes e.g the issue of mau is now kaput, now its ringera thingy, next will be jiggers, then hunger etc. so that we can go talking while they go grabbing.
From: Christine Baraza
Subject: Tribalists Uhuru, Murungi and Kimunya
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 5:12 AM
Its amazing how our politicians continue to beat drums of tribalism, while at the same time talking about fighting the same tribalism. This is called “Talking from both sides of the Mouth”. Uhuru Kenyatta, Kiraitu Murungi and Amos Kimunya went to Kipipiri and sounded an alarm to the Kikuyu Community over Ringera’s appointment that “their people are being finished” and thus they must fight back. Pose for a moment and wonder how many Kikuyus/Merus/Embus hold high offices in Kibaki government?
The entire Ministry of Finance has been Kikuyunized. The Minsiter is Uhuru Kenyatta, The PS is Joseph Kinyua, the Governor is Njuguna Ndungu, the head of Budget is Ngugi and the Chairman of Kenya Revenue Authority is Waweru. Has any other leader from any other tribe complained that their people are being finished? Does it mean that other leaders from other tribes are foolish? Not long ago Kibaki appointed Waweru as PS ministry of Youth/Sports replacing Mburugu and then appointed Ndirangu to replace Waweru as nairobi PC. Did any leader from any other tribe complain? Does it mean that other tribes are foolish?
I think its high time, other leaders called bluff on these tribalists called Uhuru, Kimunya and Murungi. To put it plainly Kenyans are tired of tribalism practiced by Kikuyu leaders at the expense of National development. Lets face the truth, Kikuyu leaders including Kibaki are the FULCRUM of tribalism in this country and its high time others came up and told them to stop this cancerous practice. They have no shame and if not stopped they will continue practizing tribalism, which they have practiced since 1963 starting with Jomo Kenyatta. Kenya must move forward and leaders must stand up against tribalism through speech but also practice.
Christine Baraza hide details Sep 9 (14 hours ago)
date Sep 9, 2009 9:59 AM
subject How Mount Kenya Benefit from Tribalism
Dear Kenyans,
I have heard many mount Kenya people and even some not from there contributing to this tribalism debate and arguing that “Its just a clique of people and Kibaki cronies gaining from tribalism”. My friends DONT BE DECEIVED. Mount Kenya people are benefiting a great deal from tribalism since Kibaki came to power and thats one reason why they too are supporting tribalism and even voted Kibaki 100 percent in 2007 while knowing very well that Kibaki had failed in his first presidency. First, WE KENYANS know that we have NO SYSTEMS of accountability and Transparency and whoever is put in office uses descretion to the benefit of his/her people. Now here is how Mount Kenya is benefitting from Tribalism.
1.Employment
Once a Mount Kenya person is appointed to head an agency-the recruitment pattern mirrors the head of that agency place of origin. There are no systems to check tribalism in employment in Kenya. The Police force and the AP are two examples which have witnessed massive Mount Kenya employment and there is enough evidence to this. Mr. Oki Kaunya was dismissed as deputy to Kinuthia Mbugua and replaced by Mwongera and Mr. McOgoye transfered to Prisons. Now the Mount Kenya control the AP both head and deputy are from there.They too control the Police Force. During the recruitment of APs slots were allocated to districts as a way of ethno-regional balance. It didnt work, some districts lost their slots to Mount Kenya individuals.
Why is this important to Kibaki? APs are viewed to have done a wonderful job in 2007 and when luo and luhya APs refused to kill their people, Kikuyu and Meru APs were taken to those areas and they did a wonderful job. AP must thus be propped up as we wait for 2012. APs numbers have dramatically increased and now almost as per with Police.
Why is Kenya Revenue Authority DOMINATED by Mount KENYA people? Because the Chairman is Waweru from Mount Kenya so DONT BUY the naive argument that Mount Kenya does not benefit from Tribalism.
2.Resource Allocation
There is no system for Resource allocation in Kenya nor a mechanism for the same. This means that resource allocation falls within the Ministry of Finance which is controlled entirely by Mount Kenya. If you have ever travelled in Kenya then you will definately notice the difference in infrastructure between Central and Western Kenya. Its dramatic difference. why? The people who decides on resource allocation come from that region. So DONT buy the NAIVE argument that Mount Kenya masses do not benefit from Tribalism. Check in 2006/07 Nyeri District got more money for Water development than Makueni. Which ONE is drought stricken and needs more water money?
3.Procurement
Given that we have no systems and neither transparency and accountability mechanisms, once a mount Kenya person heads a ministry, procurement will go to fellow mount Kenyans and this is a great benefit. Dont cheat yourselves that between a Mount KENYA and a coastarian then Iteere will give procurement to a coastarian. Ask yourself or find out who is building the Vice President House and check other procurements and you will find a clear pattern in the making.
4.Protecting the Presidency at all costs
These tribal appointments have TOTAL LOYALTY to the President even when its against public Good. During the post elections violence, ONLY mount KENYA police could shoot and kill Luyha and luos. This was strange and unprecedented that the police force would get divided tribally. But this was a result of the breakdown of what Professor Atieno odhimabo calls “THE IDEOLOGY OF ORDER” that MOI had used to rule Kenya for 24 years. Kibaki is basically restoring that IDEOLOGY by populating the forces with his tribesmen and the finances with his tribesmen. ONE ONLY NEED MONEY AND THE CONTROL OF COERCIVE FORCE to rule an African country. Watch this space 2012 WILL BE A LOT different from 2007-people may riot but the APs and the POLICE FORCE will be intact to deal with them once someone favorable to Kibaki and mount Kenya is installed as the President.
5.Influencing Government Policy
Once you populate all decision making organs with your people, government decisions become TRIBAL decisions. Why do you think Turkwell Dam became a white elephant? Because Biwott wanted it where it is. It wasted tax-payers money but also loans from western countries. When a European country comes to KENYA and says we want to build dykes. where should we build it? The mount Kenya heads of agancies will say take to Nyeri.. while Its Budalangi which needs the dams like yesterday. So TRIBALISM is bad for development.
SO STOP THE NAIVE argument that Tribalism only benefits a few cronies of Kibaki and start FIGHTING tribalism wherever you see it and FIGHT tribalism even if committed by your Tribesmen. There should be NO ROOM for Tribalism in Kenya. Where is Kikuyusfor change to stop this Kibaki tribalism? Where is Civil society to stop this tribalism? Where are the churches to stop this tribalism?
from Patriotic Kenyan hide details Sep 9 (14 hours ago)
date Sep 9, 2009 10:45 AM
subject [Re: How Mount Kenya Benefit from Tribalism
Christine,
You are totally right and objective in your analysis. Let the truth be told.
Patriotic Kenyan
from George mwangi hide details Sep 9 (13 hours ago)
date Sep 9, 2009 11:43 AM
subject Re: How Mount Kenya Benefit from Tribalism
@ Patriotic Kenyan & Christine,
If we ” Mount Kenya” are benefiting as you allege, what then? what do you want us to do about it? or what are you going to do about it? You’ll get ulcers dwelling on these things! Move on and make your life count for something unless of course you two are politicians
FROM THE FRYING POT INTO FIRE
The man who headed the police general service unit, GSU, his very subordinates who shamelessly massacred 1500 young democrats in the 27th December 2007 post electons violence, now replaces general Hussein Ali as head of the Kenyan Police.
With this man at the top of scurity impunity in Kenya now enters a deadly and dangerous level. The world should now watch Mwai Kibaki more closely and keenly since after replacing General Hussein Ali his powers are now complete and absolute. IMPUNITY! PERIOD!
DR ODIDA OKUTHE.
Very true indeed, to give you an example, just a CBA bank and see who are working there, i recently noticed this in my brank opposite serena hotel. the cashiers where al from mount Kenya, even the United Nations offices in nairobi, iwas told not to bother applying there…. the mt kenya have taken over. organisations NOT to bother applying to:
Commercial Bank of Africa
United Nations office in Nairobi
oXFAM gb
European Commission for humanitarian aid (ECHO&EC)
just to name a few, these is REAL, it is my own experience and experience of my friends,