I consulted today with Jakababa “The Idiot lawyer in my village who asked me” to say ain’t say so” if Migingo Island is now totally under the control of Uganda UDF?. I told Jakababa that it is true Uganda flag is hovering over Migingo Island as we speak.

Our fellow Kenya fishermen and traders are now under Uganda rule and paying tax levies to the occupy army in our own country. The questions Jakababa and the Islanders are now
raisng: ” where did they go wrong in Kenya politics?, and when did this region and it’s people became “step child” in Kenya politics where the current administration cannot offer them any security from external aggression?. Since 1969 after the death of Tom Mboya the hero of lake region and Kenya as a whole, no administration or even Luo politicians have paid serious attention to this lake region needs. In post Mboya’s
death, Islands like Sigulu that had been settled by Luos were taken over by Uganda without a peep from past and present Kenya government administrations. We hope history
will NOT repeat itself when Kenya government want a place to host war prisoners like Kenyatta government did in 1964-65 during Kenya-Somali war. It is Mfangano Island that
provided prison housing for Somali (Shiftas..look it up!) war prisoners during the early Independence days of this country. The way conflicts are popping up everywhere, where
will Kenya government host future war prisoners if the government ever get in conflict with neighboring states… Uganda is excluded!.

Lake region people have no nobody to turn to or to call on for help for the occupation of Migingo Island. These people are left wondering out loud if the fate for this region has been decided between the two governments?. Has Musevini been awarded this part of Kenya to keep?. When General Chief of Staff in the Kenya army says ” Migingo Island is too small to fight for” UGANDA GETS GREEN LIGHT TO THESE ISLANDS,
when President says that he..has ” worked out a deal with President of Uganda.. the Island dispute will be solved peacefully NOTHING HAPPENS, when PM says that ” Migingo belongs to Kenya NOTHING HAPPENS, when Kenya delegation goes to Uganda to negotiate the Island dispute NOTHING HAPPENS, when Uganda sends land army and copters to reinforce marines/police on the Island KENYA DOES NOTHING, when Kenya fishermen and traders are arrested on the Island KENYA DON’T CARE! and when Kenya politicians visit the Island they are chased away with their “TAILS BETWEEN THEIR LEGS LIKE WILD DOGS BY UDF ON THE ISLAND

The people of lake region hears various pronouncements by Kenya government to solve Migingo Island but UDF is still ruling the Island. We now wonder if the two Presidents really made a deal in Zambia for the UDF to vacate the Island?. Does the PM who hale from this region means it when he says that this island belonged to Kenya?.Will the public ever know the truth about Migingo Island and how it was conceded to Uganda?. We
understand what the President may be going through during these hard times managing his cabinet and coalition government. Some members of his cabinet are jumping ship,
coalition politics of divisiveness are at fever pitch and the campaign for 2012 elections have started in earnest. Yet, solving Migingo Island by all accounts should be above politics for our people and protecting territorial integrity of this country . No
matter what happens, politics/elections will come and go but lake region Island will still need protection from this government to thwart off Uganda aggression in this part of the country. Mr. President Sir, if you chose to defend and save Migingo Island the
country will be 100% behind you and when you concede this Island to Uganda, history will not be kind to you Sir. It was said by Abe Lincoln that “house divided will not stand”, Mr. President your government is a good example of Lincoln’s analogy. The bickering among political parties and politicians in this country has divided this “house” where you cannot lead your country and the army to defend some parts of this
country.

I am sorry to tell you that the Luos in lake region feel neglected by your administration on Migingo Island issue. The President of Uganda and his army is emboldened because he feels that you will NOT defend these remote areas in Luo Land
because these lands are far away from where you hale from. Mr. President, Uganda leader has NOT kept the promise he made to you in Zambia. If you are serious about defending the entire country, this is the time you NEED to deploy your army in Migingo Island to defend this country and also provide security to your citizens on this part of the country. The lake region people are more than willing for you to prove their misconception of neglect by your administration if you can demonstrate by show of force using your army to evict UDF from this Island.

For Luo politicians if you wait any longer you may not have homeland to come back to one day when your political careers are over in the capital. What will prevent Uganda from
annexing the entire Luo Land regions if the current Kenya government cannot defend this Islands today?.By the time next elections comes by, Uganda may be already entrenched
in this region for ever. Your mothers, wives and children will be living in a new country!. Migingo Island will be one of the many “army barrack posts” in Luo Land by Uganda government . This is the time you the cowardice Lou politicians according to
Jakababa should take action to prevent the domino theory of obliging and conceding our lands to Uganda. You must know by now that this President is lame duck (term limited) and counting on him to defend this region may not be his priority. You will have no body to blame but yourselves when these lands are occupied by Uganda. Why should Luo elders be the ones responsible to get this Island back from Uganda while you the
elected officials are disinterested in this issue?. To date, few Luo MPS have taken public official stand on Migingo Island issue..why … because they know they will be voted back to parliament out of loyalty of the Luo culture of supporting one of their own at any cost!. We people in the lake region we don’t believe in anything that government can say now. Many promises have been made by both governments and non have
been kept. If Kenya government is serious, it must now deploy troops to defend this Island because it is belong to them and new map will not prove otherwise.

I want to remind Jakababa and other Luos who feel the same way like he does on this Migingo saga. Election after election each tribe have voted their own in office, don’t expect these types governments to solve real issues affecting this country like Migingo Island. For Luos, you get what you deserve from your MPs. In every election you vote these people into office out of loyalty and sometimes out of cult like following therefore don’t blame them when they ignore your problems: Don’t blame these MPs when they fail to help and and empower you with long term development projects in:
Education, economic, and security issues like Migingo Island. You must blame your stupidity in following them blindly and with few (GONYA) drinks they buy you during election. Yes, it is true that these MPs will not stop coming to funerals in your
villages to do some unwarranted politicking, hold Harambe fund raising here and there!, distribute CDF that you are entitled to like their own funds etc. These types of actions by Luo MPs are commendable but they lack staying power to alleviate your object poverty in your communities. There is Chinese proverb “Give a man fish..you feed him for a day,
Teach a man how to fish..you feed for life”. What good does attending these funerals do if these MPs cannot address the causes of these deaths in these villages?, What good does
building schools do if the kids are left without any one to care for them?., what good does building roads do when people are dying from starvation/hunger? and why can’t Luo Mps use CDF to grow basic food in these communities?. These are some of the long term issues these Mps should be addressing in Luoland. Sorry for digressing from the main point here!!!. If Migingo and other lake regions are conceded to Uganda by the current
administration Luos elders and their MPs should NOT blame anybody but themselves from failing to take collective action to defend these Islands. These Mps should NOT rule civil disobedient action out on Migingo Island if the government they are now serving CANNOT PROTECT THEIR PEOPLE. I can’t think of anything noble than seeing Luo MPs leading their people for a good cause like occupying this Island using civil disobedient for a day or two on the Islands. If they can use civil disobedient this will send stronger message to the current administration and Uganda government who is now occupying this Island.

Unless Luo MPs can help get Migingo Island back, they will remain IMPOTENT AND COWARDICE in the eyes of Jakababa ” the idiot lawyer in the village”

JD Brown

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:13:39 -0400 [04/14/2009 02:13:39 PM CDT]
From: Dan Orao
Subject: THE IMPOTENT..COWARDICE LUO POLITICIANS..WHAT WILL YOU DO/SAY WHEN UDF START RAPING YOUR PEOPLE?

Wazalendo wenza,

The grapevine has it that Uganda recently established that there are vast quantities of high quality commercial-grade oil and gas in Lake Victoria around Migingo Island. The oil in Migingo is supposedly of a much higher quality than that in mainland Uganda! That is why it has annexed the island and the area around it the way Nigeria did the resource-rich Bakassi peninsula , and the 1600 kilometre-long border area between Cameroon and Nigeria, extending from Lake Chad to the Gulf of Guinea. It took Cameroon 35 years to get its territory back through legal means. And till today Nigeria still has not vacated fully.

Oil or no oil, I don’t think Kenyans like myself are ready to serve legal papers on Uganda in an international court and wait for generations as lawyers outmonouver each other with legalese on such a straight forward issue. Migingo and its environs are Kenyan territory. Even Kibaki’s concession that experts should look at the maps was a negation of Kenyan sovereignty and an act of high treason by non other than the man who swore himself in at night as President of the Republic of Kenya (read the Third Governor of the Kenya Neocolony), and yet he has no clue how to run a cattledip. It is third parties or Uganda who should wax cartographical about maps and compasses. Hapana sisi wenye mali!

Now, though it is against Kenyan Law to raise a militia, this Migingo affront calls for a people’s militia to arise and do the necessary to defend our country’s integrity, since the government is not going to act as it should with economic blokades and surgical military strikes. We are told that Uganda is our major trading partner (trading with Kenya or the homeguards?), so what? Are we going to play second fiddle to those who have money? The Artur brothers were supposed to have brought us loads of money as investors and the Horrible Kibaki made them Police Commissioners…. Are we going to sell our motherland the way we have sold our parastatals?

Anyway, Kenyan citizens in Busia and Teso have no time for Ugandan arrogance and can be mobilised at short notice to impose an effective Road and Rail embargo on Uganda. Ugandans don’t mess around with us.

Are there any like-minded people on this listserve who can help organise a public forum at which we shall serve Kibaki notice to take action on Migingo or be kicked out of office? Kwani yeye ni nani to undermine our soverignty? He can get away calling us mavi ya kuku or being sworn in at night because both are temporary irritants, but not doing an irreversible act as peeing on our sovereignty by allowing even an iota of our country to be annexed…

Look at the resources America deployed recently to rescue one citizen from the Somali pirates!!! It did not matter that the pirates were four teenagers armed with light guns! Naval destroyers and helicoper gunships were deployed, and highly skilled SEALS were parachuted into the theatre to make nonesense of the nononesense situation. What mattered to Americans was that one of their own was facing imminent danger, and their sovereignty was being challenged. The lesson is that you do not negotiate or appease bullies as that only makes them bold, to demand bigger things.

Decades ago Great Britain sailed half-way around the world to kick Argentina in the teeth over the Falklands! When Idi Amin annexed Kagera in Tanzania, Nyerere did what a commander-in-chief does – he not only kicked him out of Tanzanian territory and out of power in Kampala, but he lost his own son in the process who was shot down bombing Amin’s troops. He did not keep his own out of harm’s way as he sent other people’s children to their deaths as some selfish and cowardly leaders in this country do when calling for mass “acsion”.

It is nightmarish to imagine that Ugandan boyscouts are impishly flying their flag over our territory as our soldiers nap away in their barracks, simply because they have a eunuch for a Commander-in-Chief. Please excuse my language but, as John Garang used to say, “we cannot have a law society in a war society!” On many ocassions Ugandan troops have bombed our people in northern Kenya and suffered no consequences, not even just kicking their ambassador out until they learn some good manners. This has made them bold to the point they are now annexing a strategic part of our territory with demonic abandon.

And as all his is happening, all our forests are gone, including Mt. Kenya, and rivers and lakes are drying up across the country. The Kshs 10 trillion per annum economy of our exclusive economic zone in the Indian ocean is dominated by foreign fishing fleets while we don’t have a single deep sea fishing unit worth the name. Why, for example, couldn’t we even use the 400 million assigned the Ministry of Fisheries in the last budget to dig ponds in my home province Western, to pay a deposit for a proper fishing vessal so we could catch the wild fish and not struggle growing some in ponds? No wonder we get 94% of our 70 metric ton fish from our 6% share of Lake Victoria and only 4% from the Indian Ocean, yet the annual yield of fish from our Indian Ocean waters is 200,000 metric tones! This fish is caught by foreigners!!! Why can’t we deploy Mungiki, Sungu Sungu, SLDF, etc. to catch these stocks of fish? WHY? WHY? WHY? Why are most of our resources being abused as poverty ravages and reduces us to wild dogs who kill each other over left overs? WHY? WHY SHOULD MUZUNGUS COME FROM NORWAY AND SPEND SIX MONTHS FISHING AND EXPORTING FISH NONSTOP AS WE WATCH IN AWE ON THE SHORELINE WITH FISHING RODS???

WHAT A DISISTROUS PECKING ORDER!!!

Over to you!

Omtatah
0722-684777

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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:29:08 -0700 [01:29:08 PM CDT]
From: Okiya Omtatah Okoiti
Subject: Oil in Migingo?

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:39:44 -0700 [05:39:44 AM CDT]
From: odhiambo okecth
Subject: Re: Madd Madd World

Omin,
my beef is with crime. It is offensive for Maddo to insinuate that all those who mugged people at Carnivore, or for that matter, those who mugg people in town are from Eastlands.

Crime is bad and Eastlands must not be used as a crime reference.

I am proud that I am staying in the East of Nairobi and I am not a criminal. The same applies to the many honest people who stay in Eastlands. Crime must not be tagged. And if it must be tagged, the use of Eastlands is segregative.

It is like there are no criminals at Southlands, Westlands, or Northlands.

For Maddo to associate crime with Eastlands is abussive to us. I demand apologies.

Odhiambo T Oketch,
Komarock Nairobi.

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:36:00 -0700 [02:36:00 AM CDT]
From: odhiambo okecth
Subject: Re: Madd Madd World

know that crime is an issue. But if there is crime at Carnivore, must it be by those from Eastlands?

That was my beef.

Oto

— On Mon, 4/13/09, andrew mutha wrote:

From: andrew mutha
Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Madd Madd World
Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 10:43 PM

Greetings all,

Honestly, Maddo doesnt need to apologize to anyone. We all know that insecurity in Nairobi is a major issue. No matter where you stay it is just a big problem. Eastlands for a long time has had issues with security. I have lived in eastlands for a while now and i thank God i have not been a victim, but i can not say the same about several of my Neighbours.

As a matter of fact we should use this article to petition the internal security minister, the police commissioner, the several OCPDs involved in eastlands to do something about the security issue in Eastlands.

Lets complain less and act more. Let us get something positive from this issue by acting to improve our security.

From: oscar oundo
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:09:04 PM
Subject: Re: Madd Madd World

there is nothing new about the security status of eastlands and one should not take offense about that. its true one of the worst places interms of security is eastlands home of thugs where young boys at the ages of 15 or so start jumping people in town others even own guns so there is no problem with maddo saying so.

From: Odhiambo Washington
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: Madd Madd World

Excuse me guys, but while it’s pretty unsafe in most parts on Nairobi, I always believed Eastlands is the most unsafe so Maddo is not telling us anything new, unless you guys just want to make some noise about a non-issue. Rather than try to get an apology from Maddo, we should be asking for that same apology from the Commish, who has not managed the insecurity in Nairobi, and in Kenya. Maddo just raised a pertinent issue. I haven’t read that piece, but he’s not far away from the truth, as much as I know.

Why would it be seen as important for Maddo to make any apologies to anyone, when we know so well the security situation around Nairobi? If he pointed to my area, I wouldn’t raise a finger, as I always have to watch my back everywhere in Nairobi.

Tell us another, please, but leave Maddo with his opinion.

—
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254733744121/+254722743223
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On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:00 AM, odhiambo okecth wrote:

I take great exception to todays issue of Madd Madd World in the Standard Newspaper.

The reference of Eastlandoz as the home of thugs is an abuse that we cannot accept. That Eastlandoz who wanted to go to carnivore mugged people to enable them go there is an affront on the integrity of us who stay in Eastlands.

I demand an apology from Madd. I do not mug to enable me access places like Carnivore. I also know many people who stay in Eastlands who live honest lives.

This issue is abussive to us.

Odhiambo T Oketch
Komarock Nairobi.

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:43:21 +0000 [04/13/2009 07:43:21 AM CDT]
From: simba@ . . .
Subject: Re: Vs: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption – Stop Pointing Fingers

Hello everyone,

This issue of refering to Somali pirates purchasing the whole of Nairobi using money received from hostages is really misplaced.

For your information most of land being developed in Nairobi and environs is being done by Kenyan Somalis. I’ll advice those making wild allegations to get their facts right. Besides, even if money has been sourced from outside Kenya what is the big deal about it? I thought attracting foreign funds is an added advantage in these times when the country is deprived of much needed foreign currency. Remember our worst enemies are as suggested the Raila’s and Kibaki’s who are stealing our hard earned money. We should deal with goldenberg and anglo leasing thieves before we point fingures towards poor refugees who need our protection!

Sent from my BlackBerry®

—–Original Message—–
From: “Paul Nyandoto”

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:06:54
Subject: Vs: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption – Stop Pointing
Fingers

Judy & Waweru et al.

I have been reading your correspondences with much earger, and I just want to add one thing before you guys draw any conclusion: You Judy and Waweru you do belong on one side of the coin. You have missed one point here, in the history of coin all over the world, this thing we call coin is always two sided, so which side are you not a member of?, think for yourself. I would advice you guys not to be all that naive and blind.

The present real problem in Kenya is just two people and they are RAILA and KIBAKI full stop. These two are 100% depending on their LIEUTENANTS,infact they are breathing their oxygen, drinking their blood, they can not do away with them, it is SYMBIOSIS. Neither Kibaki nor Raila can afford to fire anybody in their kitchen politics, it is a very big risk to make. Kibaki may, since he does not need votes in 2012, but he really needs security after what happened in 2007 election and violences etc. Do you Know that once a leader decides not to accept the
rules and behaviors required, regardless of what anyone thinks and , more importantly , regardless of the consequences then he is not a good leader. Who are those corrupt leaders you are talking about: Let me gues; Uhuru Kenyatta who financed Naivasha killings, Kalonzo(VP) for ordering ECK chairman to give false information or for begging the army to give him power or what?. Saitoti Goldenburgs scandle, or other angloleasing lieutenants, or Libyan and Quatar dills or these now selling the whole of Nairobi to Somalians inorder to get pirates dollars?, Infact if I were Obama I would have just hit Kenya first before bombing Mogadishu, because that is where alot of pirates money is being used and there must be some tycoons gaining and fertilizering the pirates in Indian ocean etc. On Raila`s side: Ruto with pending cases, Mdavadi was once also involved in Goldenburgs scandle etc. So who among these group would you like to be fired?.

I was in school with Kikuyus, kisiis, luhjas, kalenjins, luos, giriamas etc and in all my schooliing days I did not see anybody cutting another person`s throat just because he comes from a different tribe. We had the same course in life, get education and succeed in life, build our country etc, nobody bothered what language the other speaks at home, but in school we communicated among each other very friendly, smoothly and games were fine. Teachers were also from mixed tribes, including even europeans. What happened after 2007 election can just tell you that Kenya is having no good leaders at the moment.

So doing cosmetic surgery will not change the main problem. Why should kenya have a dynastry in politics?, do you want tell us that if Idi Amin was a kenyan his son would be also kicking our batts today that he also wants to be a president?. Infact we thought that somebody like Kibaki could break the dynastry system, but now Kibaki is also going for project Uhuru no.2, Guys are we Kenyans all that blind?. How many Kikuyus can not afford land in central province at the same time Kenyatta`s family is having junks of land they do not even need or use all over the country including foreign countries?. I hope you guys dig out what is on the other side of coin before it is too late.

Best regards
Paul Nyandoto
Judy Miriga 04/12/09 1:33 >>>

Nimmos Waweru

I agree with you. Lets go this route, we must put both Raila and Kibaki to task until they root out corrupt leaders and until we get what majority Kenyans want. We have never had serious problems before as Kenyans in our tribal existance until now when we are being used so we hate and fight amongs ourselves and those who are enjoying our taxpayers are having fields day. We are the ones who are stupid. We have the power to kick these goons out of office and put new ones to teach people with simple minds such like these never to play with Kenyans again. We are the ones to chart out our d estiny. We have allowed these leaders to mess our country to a point Somali undocumented migrants have made Eastleigh Mogadisho. These foreigners are armed with very sophisticated weaponry in the heart of Nairobi. Migingo Island has been sold to Yoweri Museveni, our land has been sold to foreigners, our Industrial hotels and other public assets have been given away at throw away price………What are we left with? What will we tell our children? I am very angry…..We and we alone have to fix our destiny.

Umoja ni nguvu…..

Judy

Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:22 PM

Judy
As i asked you before what kind coalition or government can be formed when both sides people are as tainted as they are?Do you want to tell me that we ignore impunity for the sake of sharing power only.As i said why cant Kibaki and Raila first agree to uproot these dirty people in the government first??

Look the problem here is both ODM and PNU they are conspiring to exploit people in the name of coalition government to reward themselves by saying 50/50 right now power sharing topic is irrelevant…now what is remaining is Kibaki and Raila unite and start a list of eliminating whoever is tainted in both sides fire them and hire new people and not necessarily people in the same government.(I mean if Kibaki and Raila speak one voice and agree on eliminating impunity sharing of power question will not rise because the problem is not that 50/50 is not implemented the problem is neither Raila nor Kibaki is willing to compromise for the good of country power sharing is not the solution..Even they share power equally one wil think of overturning one another to remain top. People should get jobs by merit not by any political or tribal affiliations Kibaki old guards like Muthaura should be forced to retire. Kenya is not only for PNU or ODM parties…. Infact as we speak Raila should not be talking of equal share only to accommondate or strengthen his force of his comrades in the name of 50/50 …Neither Kibaki does not own Kenya idividually or Mt Kenya Mafia…Kenya is a country for people and the government should be for people ,and jobs should be for the people who are qualified not those affiliated to PNU or ODM in the name of power sharing…..Judy I wish you could go back to Kenya and vie for the president of the people by the people…we all could do wonders as Kenyans but not as PNU’s or ODM’s ….Infact Judy i hate these people with a passion…because all they think is themselves.These people as short sighted they fail to see the opportunities we have in Kenyan. if only they can see can build the country other than too much greed. Kibaki has had power so is Raila..they are well to do economically even if is at the expence of a country nobody is complaininmg of that.. But if only they are kind enough to manage the country fairly Kenyans has a lot to offer to their country…. International world investors are intrested in Kenya but corruption and political impunity are blockade.All this politicians stealing from the country but banking all the money overseas and we end up losing everything ..I wish they could steal but atleast build factories for the people as to get jobs in Kenya Look ..Kibaki wonna hang around for ever with his old guards..Look Raila is ready to sacrifice anything even civil war for sake of presidency.Look Ruto will do anything thinking that he in touchable because even after he has stolen all government military land a causing the mayhem he is still loose….To my conclusion..even 50/50 power sharing occurs problem is still there if Raila will not be the president…Also unless Kibaki sacrifice and remove the old guards in the goverment,prosecute some of his tainted corrupt friends nothing will bring peace in Kenya……We need to overhaull and remove this recycled..politicians also people of Kenya should vote on merit not by encouraging Mornachy system of ruling in Kenya.

— On Sat, 4/11/09, Judy Miriga wrote:
From: Judy Miriga
Subject: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption – Stop Pointing
Fingers
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 10:13 AM

Waweru,

As much as I agree with you to some extend, we have a big problem here, that of Coalition Government signed by two people who have been entrusted to mission work of reform agenda. There are some dangerous loopholes that cannot be overlooked and which canned be used at the next election because it will be desasterous, worse than 2007 conflict.

The purpose for the coalition government signed by the two could have been taken over or replaced by an Interim Government to do the same before the next election. This is why there was fear to go for a repeat election.

Unless those pockets are filled, no election will take place. Between PNU and ODM one group is not faithful and is not following the rule. There is common observation that one group is trying to outdo the other and are driving out of the rail. This is where the problem lies and we must start from where the problem is.

Now our bus stops at the two, Kibaki and Raila upon their commond agreement on behalf of Kenyans peace, reconcilliation, rehabilitation and security for all Kenyan so to avoid repeat of the December 2007 and all this is locked in the coalition government – both must respect the 50/50 share as was agreed, so we can start moving from there. Now who of the two do we take to task. Who is not behaving well for us to move to the next step? We are stuck there until we prove beyond reasonable doubt that they are completely defeated, they we move to plan B which is the Interim Government who will be entrusted with the mission which have defeated them.

So whoever is out of track of the two in the coalition, it is our duty to face him directly and squarely to make this coalition work.

How about that?

Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com

— On Sat, 4/11/09, nimmos waweru wrote:

From: nimmos waweru
Subject: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption – Stop
Pointing Fingers
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 12:51 PM

@Judy Miriga
Dont defend Raila ..Kibaki and Raila are equally useless in this coalition government.Kibaki is very selfish he likes to maintain power at expense of poor Kenyans who are promised heaven but he cant even deliver hell.Raila is selfish hungry and greedy for more power than Prime minister’s power,to a point such that he forgot to consider anyone else even to his ODM counter parts .When he became a PM he was exposed to power he kept quiet meaning for a while and forgot all he promised about reforms.Raila is only intrested to seek for himselve.To be honest in Kenya i dont think we have anyone who is intrested with Kenya at heart…Look at corruption in Kenya today Kibaki is supposed to sack and prosecute all those mentioned in impunity…but how can he do that when Wako is sitting on files protecting his corrupt intrest too. in the same government he leads??Gicheru should go and all judicially should be overhaulled..Ruto,for maize and 20007 killings should be in jail by now…Saitoti should be in jail for goldenburg scandal,Kiraitu should be ready to stand for anglo leasing scandal…Ndungu land commission should be implemented as to return all stolen government land to people…. As we speak the international world want to assists and return all stolen money bank from Switzerland Bank but now the question is where is the government will power??Look at Angloleasing case already we have the witness arrested in US ..US is willing to assist the Kenya government in prosecution but where government is the will power. Why cant Raila pinpoint those issues instead of focus seeking for power for himself only..he should understand that that is where his full popularity will come from among all Kenyans if he is willing to sacrifice for all Kenyans and for sure he can be supported by all Kenyans regardless the tribe differences…Unless the Kenyans unite and realise they are used by politicians for their gain,and use the voting power to throw this people out of gorvenment in future elections Kenya remains in hands of this hungry hyenas,Kenyans politicians dont care the welfare,or peace or development of the country.

— On Sun, 4/5/09, jbatec . . . wrote:

From: jbatec@ . . .
Subject: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption – Stop Pointing Fingers
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 5:50 AM

Folks,

When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila could have done when he was denied his fair share of the signed agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the coalition government by those who stole election at gun point. He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, all powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohorts with Cartels. Kibaki with cartels took complete control of Government machinery. In truth Raila and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the boat a float, although they faults here and there, the storm at sea did not let them float in calmness as they steer awaiting fate from who knows where. Because of peace and the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki even after the glory for winning election was stolen from him and with the majority elected officials in ODM

compared to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You the Kyuks humbled him on his knees to plead for your favour at your mercy. Who gave Kalonzo Musyoka, Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against the signed agreement? Why do you guys act like chameleons?

So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or you are feared. In selfish, Kenya is no more………BUT we will not let it fall apart. We now know you cannot change without force. Your selfishness is deep skin.

To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in your mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him not to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being dented by them, he was already spiritually and moraly demoralized and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort. We know it……

The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work together with the rest of Kenyans at peace in harmony calling a spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts and Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples from the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be.

Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have given Kenya their fair share of peace by giving in and adjustments letting Kikuyus stay in power a second chance. Raila could have been Moses only if he could have been given a chance, who knows, we could have said truely, Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership. But now on this one I choose to disagree with you. Raila ana madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo sikatai. Lakini you guys are too much……..

What is destroying the majority of Kikuyus is GLUTTONNESS and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, lakini kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima itatumiwa. Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have gone through all this years painfully. Kwani Mt. Kenya Mafia no Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us.

Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia connections and businesses internationally. And we know, majority of who joined extremists slanderers Republican to smear and finish President Obama. It is useless you are all chasing the wind………..however much you pretend, we know it and stop pretending. You are haters…….. You all need reform from within………REPENT your sins……………..stop pretending…………..and stop jumping like frogs here and there trying to be saints……..you can sing like Angels, but we dont care anymore unless you change…..Kenya will pay all you looted from them in generation to come. But Mungu si Athmani……….It will be history for generation to come………..Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu na Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au tajiri……..Mungu anatazama ROHO ya binadamu.

We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or not, whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes Airport to Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or Kibaki is the King……….you like it or not……..we will not take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future and livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans and ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will be included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be clothed, except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, the way it gets him nuts……
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Shame on you people………although the word shame, glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even bother you, you need fresh anointing from Heaven………

If you want a bitter truth, you get it……..

Thanks,

Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com

— On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau wrote:

From: john kamau
Subject: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption
Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM

God Help Kenya,,
With people like you, Replicating the events of the last election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau just as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you are not whatever ethnic community you come from.. Demanding that Kibaki resigns appears to have escaped most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow tribal antics which I have not intention of taking part in.

It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who has betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not done as much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each other on tribal bases.

If you and me can do this, can go this far , how about our brothers and sisters who have not benefited from both academic, and international exposure. They wait to hear you and me interpret National and political issue in order to form an opinion and act towards what ever direction you and me guide them. and this appears to be our contribution….. am so sorry.

— On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale wrote:

From: martin njalale
Subject: Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption
Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM

Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more if u were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but wait a minute.All u people from the central part of kenya will castigate anybody from other regions other than ur own. Lets look at who has done or said what.

The Judiciary………Raila says it should be reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot of u from central keep quite.

Mau Forest ……….Same scenario

Airport………………..Same

Tribal Bonding……….same

Migingo………………..Shutting up adds to the
same
scenario if it was populated by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would be there

I come from Bungoma District where Raila has never had a lot of support but unless the central click change their attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective rather than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy what u are saying and the likes of Raila will draw support.Think talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau history will repeat itself.

So stop cheating ur self

— On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau wrote:

From: John Kamau
Subject: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption
Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM

Kibaki /Raila, on corruption.
It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the two

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principals and especially Raila who’s prime Ministers position was created through the strong support of the International community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa’ngs in his team. While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft:

The international community should now apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution… It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya will be on the auction list. Look at the rate in which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab world.

Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:10:24 +0000 [04/11/2009 01:10:24 PM CDT]
From: steve ogeda [United Kingdom]
Subject: IS CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW THE ONLY REMEDY OUT OF THIS MESS

well said

— On Sat, 11/4/09, odhiambo okecth wrote:

From: odhiambo okecth
Subject: Re: IS CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW THE ONLY REMEDY OUT OF THIS MESS
Date: Saturday, 11 April, 2009, 12:25 PM

Brother,

You have seen this thing very clearly. Constitution has become a milch cow and all and sundry must talk about the constitution to ensure that they remain relevant.

Even non reformers like Martha Karua have been embraced by some hotel loving NGOs to talk about the way forward when it is clear that Martha was the single force behind the civilian coup of 30th December 2007.

in defense of Kenya, I assign you number 10. You must score the goals and help Kenya remain peaceful as we plot how to remove all the non reformers from power through electoral means.
That is it. Make sure you defend the Kenyan goal;
1] The Goal Keeper;
2] Right full back;
3] Left full back; J O Mamboleo
4] Central defender;
5] Stopper; Kuria-Mwangi
6] Midfielder; Odhiambo T Oketch
7] Right winger;
8] Central Midfielder;
9] Striker; James Nduko
10] Distributor; Fwamba NC Fwamba
11] Left winger;

Then we will have the reserve team and the spectators.

They all make up the team. A truly Kenyan Team for Kenyans and by Kenyans.

Odhiambo T Oketch
Komarock Nairobi.

— On Sat, 4/11/09, crispus fwamba wrote:

From: crispus fwamba
Subject: IS CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW THE ONLY REMEDY OUT OF THIS MESS
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:11 AM

IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW OUR ONLY REMEDY
The constitutional review has been a song sang since early 90s by majority of Kenyans under the leadership of a number of civil society organizations like the National Constitutional Executive Council. Activities of such organizations helped us attain an awareness level to most of Kenyans on the importance of reforms through constitutional review.
However it’s unfortunate that it’s almost two decades since the introduction of multipartyism whose campaign was spearheaded by a number of the current people in government.
The constitutional review process has instead become a serious impediment to any reforms in this country because Kenyans have been made to believe that real change can only come through a constitutional review. this has also given opportunity to those who are anti reforms to have a clear picture of what would stand on their way in maintain the status quo.therefore the anti reform forces who are beneficiaries of corruption which includes irregular land allocations to use all their energies and positions of power to ensure there are no reforms that might interfere with their comfort. It’s also notable that most of those who agitated for change while in opposition changed their language immediately they got opportunities to serve in government.
It’s a known fact too that a number of non governmental organizations exist on the sole reason of pursuing constitutional changes in the country and the general feeling is that they will be rendered insignificant once the we have a new constitution.
Given these circumstances, Kenyans need to redefine a new way of implementing reforms or rather having a new constitution without involving the usual stakeholders who have been squabbling over the way to the reforms.
If we still believe that reforms can only be achieved through constitutional review then we need to have different players other than politicians or those with vested interests.
It has been a daunting task for Kenyans who even went on to believe that by voting in pro reform leaders into parliament, it was going to be easier to have a people driven constitution which was eventually a proven futility citing examples of Prof Kivutha Kibwana’s days in parliament and the current presence of the likes of Mutava Musyimi and others.
It’s therefore evident that all Kenyans in positions of leadership are obstacles to constitutional change in Kenya. This is the same cause of our inability to attain this long fought potential historic achievement in 2005 when we went to the referendum because of tension and vested interest s by leaders from different sectors of political and civil society leadership. In the same vain was the national accord that was signed by the President and the Prime Minister in order to halt clashes that resulted fro a disputed presidential election. For the same reasons of the process driven by a political class, the Serena talks went into disarray immediately the agenda on power sharing was cleared. Agenda four which had a lot to do with the reforms is now being treated as a minor issue by the same political class that agreed on power sharing. It’s for this reason that I believe that our political class will never address issues on agenda four.
This is the reason as to why some people have decided to agitate for piecemeal reforms which have still been rendered useless because of legal arguments based on current constitutional references. It is therefore imperative that we have a radical approach on the process or else we will never have a new constitution in this country and that means we will never be able to address reforms in this country whose implementation is based on constitutional interpretation. When NARC government took reigns of power from Moi, Kenyans were very optimistic and Kibaki who those days seemed to still care about his reputation as the hope for change, created a number of commissions which included the Ndung’u commission on land that produced the report which can now only be termed as having been a public relations exercise. It has since been a nightmare to implement because there is no mandatory constitutional obligation for its implementation. So it can authoritatively be argued that in a way the constitutional review process has in itself been an obstacle to reforms in this country. The same forces that have been ensuring that we don’t get a new constitution are still very influential in the country. Therefore if we divorced the constitution from the political class, it may be easier for us to achieve change or altertnatively, Kenyans have a duty to think of another way of achieving change other than the constitution. It’s mind boggling conscientiousness to every progressive force in this country. Changing the process or the method is the only right direction we must take to achieve change.
FWAMBA NC FWAMBA
BOX 41046, Nairobi
0736170218
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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:38:58 -0700 [04/08/2009 12:38:58 AM CDT]
From: Edyth Anziya
Subject: Re: No Red carpet for PM

With due respect Raila deserves tottal respect whether u argue how amejaribu jameni I wish people for once could say something positive without looking at which part or tribe plss give credit where it deserves what else can Raila do if hes blocked plsss friends Evrybody knows that Agwambo is for people I wish people understant this but but I belive God will create situations to force them to understand by the way he has already started one day UKWELI UTAJULIKANA TUUUUUUU.

— On Tue, 4/7/09, alex adagala wrote:

From: alex adagala
Subject: Re: No Red carpet for PM
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 11:34 AM

With all due respect to members in this forum, we should not just post anything just because we have a keyboard and a monitor in front of us.
Some of the comments being posted here are more of emotional than scientific opinions .
For example when someone argues that the PM is making noise by demanding a red carpet, i beg to ask, what’s wrong with that?
Power comes with traditions,but this does not necessarily translate into good leadership. Ask yourself why schools have different badges and mottos yet they serve the same purpose? Does it matter? Yes it does.
About the PMs salary. Is it wrong to demand a salary for work rendered? Does kibaki and kalonzo earn a salary? Its a right and not a privilege for the PM to be paid since its constitutional. The question should be how much, but i don’t think muthaura is the one to tell us how and how much the PM should be re numerated. lets make our posts with mensuration.

Thanks
Adagala

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From: Papa Likondi
Sent: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009 11:31:34
Subject: Re: No Red carpet for PM

Sungu
Raila, now you are telling me that Kibaki is not respecting you. Do you think I Care whether you have yellow or green carpet for your akala shoes to step on!! Come on Raila, face Kibaki and tell him NOT US. We are sorry we can’t assist you on this. Those primitive decisions, you are part and parcel of them. We will judge you as a coalition an not as Kibaki and Raila. Think and think very fast. I hope you will not mind borrowing a leaf from Martha Karuas’ tree and jump without a parachute, we are waiting for you down here.

Papa Likondi

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:45 AM, otieno sungu wrote:

Raila Amalo Odinga you should not be lamenting about red carpets. The Dalai Lama sits on the floor, leads a simple life and yet is one of the greatest leaders of out time.

The Lord Jesus rode a donkey and walked most of his life on foot.

It is these traptions of power that make you leaders lose it, ati carpet? So?

Kibaki walks on red carpets daily and yet the man is the lousiests President in Africa alongside Mugabe.

It is not the carpet or the dias or the address stand that makes a leader, it is what the leader has to say that matters to the ruled.

We will respect you not for the carpet you walk on or the dias you address us from but the ideas you expound and how well you lead us.

Good day Prime Minister.

Sungu.
Juba.

— On Tue, 4/7/09, Justo Lwali wrote:

From: Justo Lwali
Subject: Re: No Red carpet for PM
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 1:55 AM

Liz,
And your point is?

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From: Liz Mwangi
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:27:50 AM
Subject: No Red carpet for PM

Raila: Kibaki tells my juniors to disrespect me

By Patrick Beja and Willis Oketch

Prime Minister Raila Odinga has claimed that President Kibaki has been instructing civil servants to disrespect him.
Citing the Coast PC’s absence from a Government function, the PM said senior civil servants like Head of Civil Service Francis Muthaura were under instructions from Kibaki not to accord him respect and co-operation.
“Mimi silaumu Muthaura. Muthaura ni PS tu. Mimi nalaumu Kibaki mwenyewe (I can’t blame Muthaura; he is just a PS. I blame Kibaki)” Raila said in Mombasa, on Monday.
The PM also expressed disappointment over his exclusion from major decisions in Government.
He cited the creation of districts by the President without consulting him as an equal partner in the coalition and complained that the districts were almost equal to constituencies in number.
“There is too much monopoly in the coalition, with one side making major decisions without consulting the other,” he said.
Formula for districts
The PM said the President should have waited for the Boundaries Commission to come up with a formula for new districts and constituencies.
“The Government is being run in a jua kali (casual) manner and that is why there was wrangling and disharmony in the coalition,” Raila said.
He said there was a plot to circumvent the Boundaries Commission and render it useless.
The PM spoke at Mkomani after he launched the National Oceans and Fisheries Policy.
He complained that the Office of the President had no respect for him as Prime Minister, saying that was why Coast PC Ernest Munyi skipped his function and the dais was adorned with a ragged carpet and without a toilet.
Were it President…
“If the PC knew the President was coming… the dais would have been properly erected with the necessary facilities befitting him,” he said.

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:38:38 -0700 [04/08/2009 12:38:38 AM CDT]
From: Oscar Dickens
Subject: RE: RAILA SHOULD RESIGN

Hey Papa Likondi,
I agree with Lucy and just a piece of advice, be Kenyan.

— On Tue, 4/7/09, Otuoma, Lucy Kimani wrote:

From: Otuoma, Lucy Kimani
Subject: RE: RAILA SHOULD RESIGN
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 8:14 AM

Wanabidii,

I have read various emails with much interest and some disappointment , it amazes me how most of us opt to retreat to our tribal mentalities ( read cocoons ) every time a leader from our tribe is mentioned , the reality is that as a nation we have a long way to go , if my learned friends and colleagues in this group cannot honestly have a debate without the ugly head of tribalism rearing out , then how will we convince those people at the grassroots to look and indeed step beyond the tribal boundaries that have enslaved us for years? , for a long time we have been held captive by our tribes and that is why we vote in leaders who are not the least deserving and for that we will keep paying the price .We need to vote in leader who are truly deserving , irrespective of race , tribe , colour or religion .

I am a Kenyan in a mixed marriage and I must say a very proud one , because that is ALL I am a KENYAN , ask my daughter what tribe she is and she will respond will the utmost pride that is is KENYAN , I must add that I am not ashamed about the tribe I was born or the tribe to which I got married . We need to get away from this tribal nonsense that only tend to enslave and retrogress us.

I am who I am NOT because of my tribe but because along the way I have been moulded by my parents , my school mates , school teachers and friends who I must add were not from one tribe or the other but from all corners of these country .

And who says that one tribe is more superior or better than the other anyway ?? WaKenya has your being from one tribe or the other put you in a better position financially , has it put food on your table , we are all in the same sinking boat ( irrespective of tribe ) and we will sink together no matter where you come from!!!

That aside, what we need are leaders who have a vision for Kenyan , lets shelve this idea that we must be led by the Odingas ,Kenyatta’s , Mudavadis , Moi’s etc etc , We have 37 million Kenyans!!!Are you telling me we have no other Kenyans who can do a good job at leading this country ??,

Lets rid ourselves of our tribal sycophancies , our prejudices and rise above all this , i am sure like you most of you, I personally do not want recycled leaders , because the fact is that all these current leaders have been recycled from one era to the other -the Kenyatta era to the Moi Era and now they are with Kibaki ( singing a different tune but trust me the band has not changed) just the choirmaster – and they will continue changing the tune because they know that we Kenyan’s enjoy listening to their different deceitful tunes .

What we need is a complete overhaul of leadership from the top (from the CEO) to the bottom( the Assistant Chief right at my village ) we need to start on a clean slate , a fresh start .Lets stop defending the current crop of politicians that we have they are all the same instead lets focus on building a New Kenya . A Kenya where we can all prosper irrespective of our tribes and enjoy the fruits of our labour.

So Kenyans / Wanabidii where do we go from here ? Lets reflect and ask what do you want for your children and your grandchildren , the current crop of politicians are busy ‘milking dry ‘ our once thriving motherland for their children and their grandchildren – not for you and your generation ( believe me they don’t care about any of us ) .

Its your call Wanabidii for you to one day tell your Children and grandchildren when it mattered I looked beyond the tribal prejudices and made the right decisions for you .Lets get a new breed of politicians and get ourselves out of the mess we currently have got ourselves into.

Lucy Kimani – Otuoma

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From: Felix Otiato
Sent: 07 April 2009 14:20
Subject: Re: RAILA SHOULD RESIGN

It would be very wise for us to look at this situation from a sober, informed and careful persective. Let us not talk of resignations because it is easy to come from the mouth. Bw. Likondi I woul like to remind (or inform) you that Raila is not supposed to be a subject in that coalition. Let me reveal to you from my perspective that by his staying in the government he is holding Kenya together. Maybe you can’t imagine what would happen if he quit and Kibaki decided to hang on-I can!

At this rate we should not accuse Muthaura of undermining Raila’s role in that government if we down here undermine him and cannot see what is at stake. Tuwache kuongea tuu!

On 4/6/09, Papa Likondi wrote:

Wanabidii
Now that Martha Karua has resigned, Raila should follow suit and resign since he was in the same school of thought like Karua. He has told us how Kibaki is frustrating him in his efforts “to enjoy” the fruits of a coalition Gov. The best he should do for Kenyans is to resign an do what he knows best. Some people were just born “opponents” just like a Ngiri, they forget so fast. He wants a PC to welcome him yet he is not the Head of State. Raila should know the length of his powers. He is not an equal to Kibaki, but his colleague in governance. He is not the CIC. Let him not complain to the common mwanachi in barazas since we can not help him! Let him consult Kalonzo on how to run a coalition. In a coalition one must learn very fast how to dance with the hyneas, wolves, monkeys and even fish. Goodbye Raila

Papa Likondi

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:03:04 -0700 [04/08/2009 01:03:04 AM CDT]
From: Caroleen M
Subject: Re: Karua can as well resign, who cares!!!!Trabalists?

True Joshua, there has been a trend of a few individuals making sure that they squeeze out an aspect of tribalism even when there is nothing tribal . Is someone guilty of something?

Two things about Karua’s resignation
1.That she strongly defended a disputed election denies her the moral authority to talk about reforms and governance. It will cost her a lot to convience many that she is genuine in the issues she raises and the steps she takes-that’s why at times it is good to shut up ones mouth since no one will judge you for what you have not said.

2. The above statement not withstanding, her resgination tells us that something is seriouly wrong with our presidency. Martha may not be new to controversy but on this one- it is a clear indication that this government is just but a name. The problems facing this country as well as the solutions to solving them lie with the president. But at the look of things, it will take the efforts of selfless Kenyans to reclaim but this beloved nation.

Lynn

On Apr 7, 5:34 pm, Joshua Amolo wrote:

Great Sungu some things you cant fight:

1. Your names
2. Where you were born
3. Your accent
4. Your parents

Some few characters in this forum have tribalised named so much that if I support anything Raila does or says it is because I am Amolo which means I might have some genes in common while the truth I havent even been 100Metres close to Raila.

Sungu I support you do not respond to posts which suggest you are a tribalist because for me those who argue like that are fools and the Bible says that:

Proverbs 27:22
Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding him like grain with a pestle, you will not remove his folly from him.

Proverbs 13:20
He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm.

2 Timothy 2:23
Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.

On 4/7/09, otieno sungu wrote:
My dear,

You can call me Otieno Sungu anyday anytime, I have no apologies for being Sungu as long as there is nothing I am hiding behind it like a job not deserved or given to me coz I am a Sungu, otherwise, even here in Juba, I am known as Sungu to Kenyans, Sudanese, Ugandans, Rwandese, Americans, Britons,Egyptians, Chinese,Ethiopians etc and I am dead proud of both being a Luo and a Kenyan( by the way, did you also know my name is Raphael which I hardly use??!!)

Most welcome Naomi( I wish I knew your native name not that Mzungu one!!) Be proud of who you are dear, I even tried changing names to fight tribalism and found out Sungu is still the best!!!

Sungu.
Juba.

— On Tue, 4/7/09, Naomi wrote:

From: Naomi
Subject: Re: Karua can as well resign, who cares!!!!Trabalists?
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 7:10 AM

Otieno if it is true you are not a tribalist y didn’t you reffer to your “brothers” as Michael and peter,

the only way we will ever get across this barrier is when we call people by their first names

just a thought

On Apr 7, 2:55 pm, otieno sungu wrote:

Wachira and Wachiuri,

Let us analyse things here, in any of my posts, tell me where I have mentioned any tribe. For one, I have mentioned golfing buddies, I do not know what tribe you suppose this is! Is it only one tribe that plays golf in Kenya?

Martha Karua is not a tribe, she is an individual that I am criticising, if that to you is criticising a tribe for which you want me to shut up, ask yourself who is tribalist between you and me!!

I never mention any tribe in my discusions if you care to read them, I dare you to show me which post ans I will shut up!!!!

What the two of you are tired of hearing are street truths that you will hear everywhere unless you wax your ears.

I don’t know which tribe stole elections if at all, all I know is that elections were stolen by individuals not a tribe, there were many people from different tribes I suppose.

When I talk of the wealthy who are ruining us, I do not know which tribe you think the wealthy are, are they only found in one tribe or all over? Isn’t Moi wealthy, Uhuru, Raila, Kibaki?

You are the tribalists, you only want to talk of unity when “one of your own” is not under attack. Karua remains at the core of the problems that visited this country with the botched elections, she could have been an Ogiek for all I care, the mere fact that she was involved in coersing flawed election results to be announced and ask the “losers” to go to the courts that now she lambasts make me see her for what she is; an opportunists.

Brothers, you are not tribes yourselves, I am not a tribe. Let us leave out tribe in our discussions and criticise or applaud individuals. In another post, I just criticised Raila Odinga for crying out about carpets,diases and podiums that I watched on yesterdays news, I have even copied the PM.For me, any leader not doing what is good for the country is the one in the ” wrong tribe” if I may say so.

And brothers, it is people like me who make the leaders see the logs in their eyes, not the ones who want to, like I always say, massage them!!!!!

Good day brothers,

Sungu.
Juba.

— On Tue, 4/7/09, Robert Alai wrote:

From: Robert Alai
Subject: Re: Karua can as well resign, who cares!!!!
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:38 AM

Be analysing issues with no tribalism we see instead of yapping how people are tribal while you contribute nothing to teh debates

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:30 PM, peter wachiuri wrote:

I fully support Michael’s sentiments. Most people in this forum are so tribal. they cannot comment or contribute without saying either this tribe did this or that. I think we are all kenyan no matter where you come from. If you don’t have anything to contribute without being tribal just SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Michael Wachira
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:48:54 AM
Subject: RE: Karua can as well resign, who cares!!!!

My Dear Friend Sungu,
What are you, doing about those unfortunate citizenry; all i hear and read is empty rhetoric. Why don’t you prove yourself a worthy adversary through actions, in comparision to the Karua’s and “wealthy golfing fraternity”.

Yours is just total B.S. Am freaking tired of most content in this forum, from tribalists and the likes of you. Shut up if you can’t contribute constructively.

M.W

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 13:11:37 -0700
From: sun…@ . . .
Subject: Karua can as well resign, who cares!!!!

For Martha Karua, there are no sympathies at all, she was at the forefront fighting for Kibaki whom she knew very well had lost the 2007 elections miserably,for her, the chickens have just come home to roost.

Kibaki is not the kind of leader who appreciates that a good turn deserves another, he has now turned against the very lieutenants who stole the elections for him.

Whether she resigns or not, she must now know that the club of thugs at State House for whom she secured elections had not the interest of Kenyans at heart, maybe she did, but for the golfing club, it is about wealth, more wealth and amassing even more wealth.

It does not even matter to them that Kenyans are dying of hunger,IDPs are still in camps and poverty and unemployment is rising, for them, there is even no problem at the Judiciary which they rely on to thwart justice when caught stealing, there is no corruption because they believe they are entitled to what they are stealing from institutions like KAA etc, that is why a “golfing buddy” has to be everywhere where money is minted.

It is unfortunate for Karua that she never knew she was just a spanner girl for them, she is not wealthy enough to be left to “manage affairs of the wealty” at the Justice Ministry, she should ask Githongo!!!

Sungu.
Juba.

From: Betty Otieno
Subject: Martha KARUA
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 2:16 PM

On KTN News this 9.00pm bulletin. She spoke with a very heavy heart. Like a good lawyer, not mouthy but straight to the point and guarded in her statement. Tomorrow she will give a statement to the country. It is widely expected she will tender in her resignation.

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Joshua Amolo
Cell: +254 720 263308/+255 783 060052

Managing IT people is like herding cats-

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:25:48 -0700 [04/08/2009 12:25:48 AM CDT]
From: Edyth Anziya
Subject: Re: Kalonzo Musyoka a self-Seeker

Ashindwe kabisa! and if there is anybody Kenyans r bored with NI KALONZO MUSYOKA !!

— On Tue, 4/7/09, Samuel Owino wrote:

From: Samuel Owino
Subject: Re: Kalonzo Musyoka a self-Seeker
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 1:29 PM

Ken,

I wouldn’t have put it better than this.

Anyang’ Nyong’o was also correct when he said, “Kalonzo has always wanted to sit somewhere near the presidency and that is as far as his ambition goes”

A serial loser and a pretender to the throne who try to lie elloquently.

Ashhhhhhhhhhhhhindwe because he will never rule this country even by default.

Sam

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Kennedy Oduor wrote:

Since Mr.10 percent aka Kalonzo Musyoka lost miserably in the 2007 General Elections and was incorporated by those who stole the election and then ignored by the Kofi Annan group, he has been doing everything to try and remain relevant in the political scene even becoming a sycophant after Mutula Kilonzo and Alfred Mutua. By the way they all come from Eastern the home of Kivutha Kibwana who was once a leading reformer then turned ardent sycophant of the system..The disgraced Professor of Law is taging along Kibaki’s coat for his stomach..I understand he has no position in state house but he is being paid for singing like a parrot how great Kibaki is..and how good Kalonzo is..

Kalonzo Musyoka is the worst sycophant you cna ever get in Kenya.

1.During the stalemate when Kivuitu had an option to save the country…Musyoka having lost was already tipped by PNU to join them to clig to the rigged election. He then pressurised Kivuitu to release flawed results and made a stupid argument that he was going to court to challenge the results…

2.When Kofi Annan ignored Musyoka for good reasons..he was relevant to any negotiation and would have complicated the negotiations anyway..Musyoka was bitter with Annan and thats why he criticised Annan Geneva talks and continue to dislike Annan..

3.Annan did not invite Musyoka to Geneva because he is irrelevant to any talks at all..He got mad and said that Annan connot invite a sitting president to Geneva..How foolish..

4.When the churches described the President as moribund and the PM as ineffective..Musyoka was ignored and claimed that he was so good that the church had no way of describing him..The church didnt see any relevance in Musyoka in the Grand Coalition.

5.Orengo was right..Musyoka job is to carry the Presidents briefcase and represent him anywhere he cant go period..

6.Kenyans must start seeing Musyoka for who he is..He is rocking the Coalition for his own selfish needs and wishes..MUSYOKA SHOULD NEVER LEAD THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY…

— On Mon, 6/4/09, John Lilech wrote:

From: John Lilech
Subject: RE: VP rules out calls for new deal on National Accord ahead of retreat
Date: Monday, 6 April, 2009, 8:15 AM

Dan, Malcolmboy and other concerned Kenyans,

Kalonzo speaks on his own behalf and self-protection, and on behalf of the PNU losers like him. What all Kenyans and the international community know is PNU comprises of losers in the last presidential election. They, however, managed to have everything their way because they were in control of state power and machinery. A candid example of such state machinery was the unilaterally appointed ECK by Kibaki. Where is Kivuitu and the ECK, he chaired at the pleasure of the President? ECK had to be dumped after erroneously delivering victory to PNU!! PNU are so obsessed with being in control, with Kibaki at the helm, that any move that threatens the status-quo is aggressively repulsed by a chorus of PNU point-men, who ruthlessly use any defensive mechanisms. They have no patience and time to face any challenges to their being at the very top in the government of this country.

How come PNU and ODM cannot, on their own, constructively engage in NEGOTIATIONS? And yet, one has the guts to reject the state life-saving services of an accomplished and highly respected MEDIATOR, Dr. Kofi Annan. The VP should know that wreck less talk will not build this country, and that it is both physically and mentally impossible to baby-sit yourself. Kenya will have to be baby-sat if that is what you as leaders opt for. Like is the case of the failed Kilaguni talks, Kenya seriously still needs a mediator, until PNU and ODM leaders prove to Kenyans and our development partners that we have matured and have the capacity to resolve our own internal conflicts.

All serious minded Kenyans should come forward to condemn our anti-reform leaders, and as it is the case now and today, the majority of these self-serving leaders will be found in PNU and include the VP.

Your Excellency, Honorable Dr. Kofi Annan, please, please, do not abandon us in our greatest hour of need.

JFLilech

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Daniel Juma
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: VP rules out calls for new deal on National Accord ahead of retreat

This VP disgusts me whenever he opens his mouth the last few days. There is one comfort though. There is no way he will ever rule this great nation. So let him enjoy this position while it lasts.

DJ

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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:40:57 +0300
Subject: VP rules out calls for new deal on National Accord ahead of retreat
From: malcolmboy@ . . .

Can someone please explain to me on whose behalf this looser is speaking for. I thought the Accord was between PNU and ODM!

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:05:50 -0700 [04/07/2009 08:05:50 PM CDT]
From: Fred Miriga
Subject: It’s All Out War In Kenya

Folks,

It is wait and see
from the attached warning threats

Yes, it is true Kibaki is undermining and maligning PM Raila using PNU and Agents to intimidate PM Raila…..The Whole World is keenly Watching with a lot of interest.

To Mr. Kalonzo, you are a cry baby, you are completely useless and guilty of your involvement and deeds……….fitina fitina niyanini????? Wewe kwenye mbio za election ulishika mkia…..Wewe mwenyewe kwenye agreement pia kidole chako cha signature hakuna……… Umepata ulicho pata kwa sabanu ya mapendekezo ya corruption iliyo dhihirika kati yako na Kibaki, maana yake, waizi wawili wakipendana ni hatari kwa jamaa. Wewe mwenyewe kwa ukweli kabisa huna chako Kenya. Umedandia tu… Unamadhambi chungu nzima mashtaka yakungojea………..Mbona mwamuonea PM Raila…………… Mbona PM Raila akisema ukweli mwamushambuli? Kwa kweli wahenga walisema, ukweli ina machungu. Kwani PM Raila jeee amedanganya? Si ni ukweli tu amesema inawafanya mnasokotana.

Nauliza, hilo jukwa wakati Kibaki ana Rally, jeee yeye pia hua na red carpet na choo? Na jeee yeye pia PC hukuweko? Kama yeye Kibaki jukwa lake hua na choo na red carpet, kwanini asipewe PM Raila pia mtandio, kwani agano si ni kua na 50/50 share kati ya Kibaki na Raila? Jee, Kalonzo VP yeye pia ana share kwa agreement? Mbona yeye wakati ana Rally huandaliwa choo na red carpet. Kwani yeye ana cheo gani kushinda Raila? Ndiposa ywa payuka payuka ati ohhh Kofi Annan did nothing to Kenyans, oh we do not recognize KofiAnnan intervention. Why are you people too selfish? Kwa kweli kabisa, nyinyi mnao pinga PM akinungunika, yaonekana wazi kwamba ninyi pia mna sababu zenu kwa kumuonea Raila. Raila is not petty in this situation, he justified publicly the kind of treatment he is receiving from Kibaki’s and PNU strategy for intimidation to derrail the Coalitions sustainability.

Kanena kwamba, hakupewa heshima vilivyo na PC alipotembelea Mombasa, It is true….. kajengewa jukwa la wasiwasi lisilo na choo na pia bila red carpet, it is true….. Kwani, walitaka ajisaidie wapi akiwa na haja ndogo? Kama si kudharauliwa, jeeee, nini basi? Yapili, hata PC alitafuta sababu ya kutokuweko wakati PM Raila anatembelea sehemu hizo, yaonekana alipewa fitina asihudhuria mkao wa Raila ya Rally na pia ili asimkaribishe PM Raila ki official, ionekani PM Raila ni juakali. PM alitaka tu watu wajuwe anavyofanyiwa……. Jamani,,,,,,, ni uchochezi…….. Tume yaona basi mtajitetea vipi? Mwatafuta manenoooooo twayaelewa vishindooooo vishindo vyenuu……. you have a long way to mature Mr. Kalonzo…….you Kalonzo need a reality check……..common sense dictates that PM Raila, according to Coalition Agreement Accord, must be accorded 50/50 share of government control nothing less. Hiii yote ni kuonyesha madharau na uchochezi haliya ufisadi………..

Yes, we saw PM Raila struggle in many ways to demand his fair share but was confronted with stiff cut throat restrain from PNU who power brokers surrounding Kibaki. We witnessed serious struggle to distribute the same Ministrerial positions between PNU and ODM members. Remember, ODM have more elected members against PNU by half. In normal circumstance how can PNU acquire more powerful Ministries compaired to ODM. If PM Raila for the sake of Kenyan peace at heart, he could have stood his ground and staged confrontational challenge, but he swallowed painful pride and gave in. People, this does not imply weakness. Please, please, please!!!!!!!wacheni uchochezi,,,,,,,, let us be practical and be objective if we are looking for better future for Kenya and want to nurture peace and healing from painful memory of the past, we dont need uchochezi kama ya hapa chini…………….Kwa hivyo mimi nasema, toboa Raila toboa, natena fichua siri tujue ukweli ya mambo……………..Kwani, watu ni nywele kila mtu anazake……….Yote yawezekana kwa imani, tuna imani natuta simama na imani, Mungu jalala Kipenzi, atatujalia………

Yote haya pikla pikla ni mbinu na sababu tu ya kumsukuma PM Raila to quit, Ngooooo, he will not quit. We all say, PM Raila stay put…………..Do what you gotta do and work with the people to demand for true change Kenyans are looking for. Wapeni hawa wachochezi vidonge vyao, wakipenda wasipopenda ni shauri yao………….Gari lamoshi laenda mbiyo………kuleni mkijua mishipa zitawazama koooni…………..

Thanks,

Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com

Watch this

National Kenya News

It’s all out war

Updated on: Wednesday, April 08, 2009
Story by: Edwin Mutai and Meeme Joshua

The Party of National Unity (PNU) functionaries have launched a scathing attack against Prime Minister Raila Odinga for criticising President Mwai Kibaki’s leadership style and warned him to watch his tongue. Consequently, Kibaki’s PNU has hatched an elaborate plot to discredit Prime Minister Raila and his Orange Democratic Movement (ODM). Later in the afternoon, President Kibaki jetted back into the country and held a thirty-minute meeting with his PNU lieutenants before being driven to State House, Nairobi.
The President neither commented on the wrangles in the coalition nor the resignation of Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister Martha Karua and assistant minister for Medical Services Danson Mungatana. Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka chaired a PNU Parliamentary Group meeting at Kenyatta International Conference Centre (KICC) yesterday where they planned national rallies to counter what they termed as ‘a civilian coup’ being plotted by ODM. The meeting which came a day after Gichugu MP Martha Karua resigned as Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister Martha brought together 54 MPs from the PNU wing of government who unanimously agreed on a week-long agenda to hit out at the PM and his party.
A document circulated to the MPs who attended the meeting convened by government Chief Whip George Thuo reveals how the MPs will renew attacks on the Prime Minister, including pursuing a vote of no confidence against him in parliament. As a sign of things to come in the next few days, Ministers George Saitoti (Internal Security), Chirau Mwakwere (Transport) and Uhuru Kenyatta (Finance) hit out at the PM over his recent attacks on President Kibaki over the creation of new districts. They warned the PM against insulting the President in public adding that PNU will not condone such actions aimed at demeaning and undermining Kibaki’s leadership.

We ask the PM to show respect to critical institutions such as that of the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. Since he has begun insults, he should be ready to be insulted,” charged Mwakwere. Mwakwere caused laughter when he said Raila was ‘obsessed with petty and parochial issues,’ referring to Monday’s incident in Mombasa when he complained of lack of a red carpet and toilet facility when he went to officiate a government function. The document discussed by the PNU PG titled ‘General Analysis on ODM’s plans’ declared war against the Orange party saying: “this week should be viewed as a week of fighting. Healing and reconciliation with ODM can take place next week.”
In the eight-point document, the PNU coalition wants to counter ODM plans which they say include national rallies meant to hoodwink Kenyans that there was a leadership crisis. “They (ODM) may call for mass action or demand removal of certain top government officials or walk out of the coalition. They will insult President Kibaki and link him to corruption,” reads part of the unsigned document. The document says ODM is perpetuating a crisis so as to create another ground for renegotiation of the National Accord and acquisition of executive power from PNU. It details how the rival coalition partner is scheming to put pressure on Kibaki by creating an artificial leadership crisis to push the President to resign.
According to PNU, ODM wants to weaken Kibaki’s administration to justify the need to ‘ouster him from power through a civilian coup.’ The explosive document claims the Orange party is planning to accuse PNU in its nationwide rallies of corruption, post-election violence, blocking reforms and other woes facing the country such as famine and unemployment. “If it was President Kibaki who was facilitating poisonous maize to be sold to Kenyans, the PM will be calling for President Kibaki’s resignation and arrest. The PNU coalition needs to take the corruption war to ODM without fear. The evidence is there. Media have documents and are waiting for PNU coalition to attack and they will expose the PM,” the one page document debated by the 54 MPs reads in part.
Addressing the press after the two-hour closed door meeting, Vice President Musyoka accused the PM of disrespecting the President. “We all need to mind our language. We stand in solidarity with the President and it is incumbent for the PM to respect the President,” he said. He added that there was need to protect the institution of the Presidency, saying lashing out at such important institutions was an affront to democracy. He said the PNU coalition was committed to reforms, devolved government and addressing numerous challenges facing Kenyans among them raging famine, economic recession and unemployment.

To call for respect for the President is not being sycophantic. It is improper for a Prime Minister to abuse the President. It reminds me of a TV programme that used to be called Mind Your Language,” he said. He called on the PM to stop engaging on side shows and instead work towards giving Kenyans the much needed reforms. Kalonzo announced the PNU coalition will begin nationwide rallies to compliment the recent President Kibaki’s tours where he ‘legally’ created new districts.
His sentiments were echoed by Prof Saitoti citing a private members motion seeking to convert all constituencies to districts in order to improve efficiency in service delivery. “I am surprised by the use of bad language by the PM on the creation of new districts claiming he was not consulted. People have requested for the districts including the Prime Minister himself,” he said.
On his part, Uhuru challenged the PM to stop the fixation that he won the 2007 presidential elections and instead champion reforms that are envisaged in the National Accord and Reconciliation Act. Uhuru maintained President Kibaki won election ‘legally’ and fairly and cautioned the PM to put that debate to rest saying it may impact negatively on the ongoing national healing and reconciliation. The Finance Minister said if there were any grievances that need to be addressed, they should be done through the right channels.

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:55:05 -0700 [04/07/2009 03:55:05 PM CDT]
From: ANN KINYUA
Subject: Re: Kenyans Beware! Theres Power in the TOUNGE!

Sure! I agree with you, let’s not be careless with our tongues, probably those who are advocating for coup do not understand the magnitude of such repercussions. Is our memory so short to have forgotten what happened last year?
Surely Kenyan’s let’s arise and reclaim our beloved nation back to its glory for (2Chro 7:14 reminds us that ‘If we pray and seek the face of God, then He shall hear from heaven and heal our land’) It’s never too late with God and there are no impossibilities with Him!
God bless KENYA!!
Ann

GOD’S PROMISES ARE TRUE; HE SHALL NEVER ALLOW THE EXPECTATION OF THE RIGHTOEUS BE CUT SHORT!!! MSO.

— On Tue, 4/7/09, Wa Wangari wrote:

From: Wa Wangari
Subject: Kenyans Beware! Theres Power in the TOUNGE!
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 6:02 AM

Im not happy to see guys calling for coups. They should beware the deadly power of the tounge.
Somali, Sierral leone, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Nigeria, Niger—ANYWHERE there are coups the populace suffers.
Its not freedom you cry for my brother,its blood on the streets.
Shindwe Kabisa.

With both ODM and PNU claiming victory, we will soon be back to December 2007 replicating the same things for which the National Accord which they have failed to implement was signed!!!

Where does this leave the ordinary Kenyan? With talks of mass action and with an unprecedented unemployed youth, hunger and poverty at its highest and sky-rocketing inflation, this is the perfect recipe for total chaos!!!

Who shall listen to us? Where is the country headed?
Why are we ever doomed? I see the same images of looting, killing, destruction and general break-down of law and order being brewed right before our very own eyes!!!

Sungu.
Juba

– – –
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:18:17 -0700 [04/07/2009 10:18:17 PM CDT]
From: otieno sungu
Subject: ODM we won, PNU we won, back to Dec 2007!!!!!

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:18:22 +0000 [02:18:22 PM CDT]
From: barack abonyo
Subject: Re: KARUA Resignation – A BIG REGRET

Martha has to repent for the stealing election and violence that followed before people of virtue can start following her. She may redeem herself by vilifying Kibaki government.

She must make Kibaki her primary target after which she will have to forcus on the person Kibaki annoints. Some of the things she can start doing is talking about how the election was stolen, grand corruption, weakness of the attoney general, the judiciary and the president himself. She has to start delinking herself from what happened and what is happenning. It is going to take a miracle for peace loving Kenyans to support Karua.

Miracles happen though.

Barack

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From: iscwn@ j . . .
Subject: KARUA Resignation – A BIG REGRET
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:16:34 +0000

Martha Karua has shown dynamism and pragmatic as a leader in the recent past. She of cause made certain mistakes in the past, but she proved to be a quick learner by changing cause and acknowledging past mistakes including the stealing of 2007 elections. I have admired her determination recently to go for the top seat and her campaign against leadership ascendency by virtue of who your father is or was rather that your OWN ability and contribution the country.

Her resignation as Justice Minister is BAD for Kenya’s political development and maturity, and particularly at this time where her vigour, clear mind and commitment to Reform Agenda was mostly needed to help Kenya move out of the current political quagmire it finds itself in. The prospect of Uhuru-Kalonza or Saitoti axis is more frightening than we are currently capable to imagine.

GOD BLESS KENYA AS WE PRAY

Odus

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:37:26 +0300
Subject: Re: Martha Quits- Don clap for nothing
From: odhiambo@ . . .

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM, wrote:

Hey guys,

Kenyans are famous for clapping their hands for nothing. Think first before clapping your hands.

Pay day is here.

Change has began!

Julia,

I am taking a wait-and-see approach. I’d be quite delighted though if her departure engineers/catalyzes that change which we’ve been yearning for.

How do you suppose “change has began”?

Is she likely to be “real” now? Remember she told ODM to trust the courts and lodge their petition there? I’d like to see how she’s gonna bring in the change, and I am praying the MK Mafia don’t eliminate her before we get to feel the change!

—
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254733744121/+254722743223
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“Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.”
— Mark Twain

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:44:50 -0700 [01:44:50 PM CDT]
From: Lordvick Otieno
Subject: Re: Congrats Martha

I’ve gone through the correspondences over the resignation of Hon Karua and noted the concern by most kenyans over theway the coalition is handling our affairs. Looks like Kenyans are supporting her reform agenda despite her role in the election fiasco, which many will not find easy forgeting.We should let Parliament to handle this on the need for a more effective and transparent Tribunal.

However we should focus more now on how we can fastrack the reform agenda which the PNU
side seem to have abandoned and busy fighting and here is where Madan Karua should come
in with her experience and information to help. So following are key to achieve this.

1. ODM, Narc- kenya and like minded MPs should hold a joint PG meetings to draw a road
map of how to use the house since they are now the majority.

2.Civil Society should get things moving outside parliament.

3.ODM must not quit the government as that’s what PNU are praying for so they have an
excuse for monopoly and put pressure within the Cabinet.
Orengo Jimmy and the group do you hear me.

— On Mon, 4/6/09, Rosetta Gathirimu wrote:

From: Rosetta Gathirimu
Subject: Re: Congrats Martha
Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:27 PM

Two points here. . Lets not forget these are politicians.

So they will do everything to ensure that ‘they’ at the long run will benefit. Am sure martha has her very good personal interest after this resignation. Secondly i wish many more m p s would follow suite and perhaps awaken the sleepin government into action! So on one side am saying not a bad way to go gal! But on the other i just cant help but wonder whats ur very personalised s take after all this madam? Ha .

R .G

janet Ayieni wrote:

It’s the way to go. I wish the rest of guys can copy/learn from Martha. She has made us proud.

Janet

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Jerry Papa wrote:
I salute martha for resigning. This shows to Mt Kenya People who are surrounding Kibaki,that you don’t have to be a minister to lead.My Vote to Karua 2017.

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 05:54:59 -0700 [04/05/2009 07:54:59 AM CDT]
From: Judy Miriga
Subject: Fw: Kibaki/Raila on Corruption – Stop Pointing Fingers

Folks,

When it comes to blame game, there is nothing Raila could have done when he was denied his fair share of the signed agreement of 50/50 Government control rulership in the coalition government by those who stole election at gun point. He was reduced to voiceless with no powers, all powers kept in the corridors of the control of Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohorts with Cartels. Kibaki with cartels took complete control of Government machinery. In truth Raila and ODM for that matter was just trying to keep the boat a float, although they faults here and there, the storm at sea did not let them float in calmness as they steer awaiting fate from who knows where. Because of peace and the love for Kenya, Raila gave in more than Kibaki even after the glory for winning election was stolen from him and with the majority elected officials in ODM compared to Kibaki with PNU, he was reduced to toothless. You the Kyuks humbled him on his knees to plead for your favour at your mercy. Who gave Kalonzo Musyoka, Muthaura, Mutua and Muhoho powers over Raila against the signed agreement? Why do you guys act like chameleons? So you think you are smart or you are more lethal or you are feared. In selfish, Kenya is no more………BUT we will not let it fall apart. We now know you cannot change without force. Your selfishness is deep skin.

To blame Raila on this one you are putting a gun in your mouth, as much as we were just trying to encourage him not to salt Mt. Kenya Mafia too much and to avoid being dented by them, he was already spiritually and moraly demoralized and beaten down from thieving of his victory by Mt. Kenya Mafia and Cohort. We know it……

The day you Kikuyus will agree in union to work together with the rest of Kenyans at peace in harmony calling a spade a spade and lashing your old fashion, bad Kikuyu leaders (the well known Mt. Kenya Mafia with Cohorts and Cartels) and together join hands to remove bad apples from the rest, what a wonderful Kenya it will be.

Luos and the rest of other tribes for 40 years have given Kenya their fair share of peace by giving in and adjustments letting Kikuyus stay in power a second chance. Raila could have been Moses only if he could have been given a chance, who knows, we could have said truely, Raila is no Moses after we taste of his leadership. But now on this one I choose to disagree with you. Raila ana madhambi zake kama binadamu bina damu yeyote, hiyo sikatai. Lakini you guys are too much……..

What is destroying the majority of Kikuyus is GLUTTONNESS and SELFISHNESS. Utabembeleza for the sake of peace, lakini kama mtu ame decide ku kaa ngumu, sasa force ni lazima itatumiwa. Na hao wote watalipa the pain Kenyans have gone through all this years painfully. Kwani Mt. Kenya Mafia no Cohort and Cartels ni nini?????? When we want to shape Kenya, they will not and cannot stop us.

Well tooooo bad, all the money stolen from Kenya (tax-payers money) furnished Mt. Kenya Mafia connections and businesses internationally. And we know, majority of who joined extremists slanderers Republican to smear and finish President Obama. It is useless you are all chasing the wind………..however much you pretend, we know it and stop pretending. You are haters…….. You all need reform from within………REPENT your sins……………..stop pretending…………..and stop jumping like frogs here and there trying to be saints……..you can sing like Angels, but we dont care anymore unless you change…..Kenya will pay all you looted from them in generation to come. But Mungu si Athmani……….It will be history for generation to come………..Hii mali yote ya dunia ni ya Mungu na Mungu hachagui mkubwa, mdogo, maskini au tajiri……..Mungu anatazama ROHO ya binadamu.

We are coming out of this mess whether you like it or not, whether CJ Gicheru is the chief justice, or the son of Kenyatta sits on Finance docket or Muhoho takes Airport to Kikuyuland, or Migingo Island is sold to Uganda, or Kibaki is the King……….you like it or not……..we will not take your prescription of designing for Kenyans future and livelihood, we will do it the best way for all Kenyans and ofcourse, we will not leave Kikuyus behind, all will be included in the beautiful Kenya just about to be clothed, except we now know how when you give a Kikuyu power, the way it gets him nuts……..

Shame on you people………although the word shame, glutton, theft and killings dont mean anything or even bother you, you need fresh anointing from Heaven………

If you want a bitter truth, you get it……..

Thanks,

Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com

— On Sat, 4/4/09, john kamau wrote:

From: john kamau
Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption
To: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 12:03 PM

God Help Kenya,,
With people like you, Replicating the events of the last election is almost a certainty,, Please note am Kamau just as you have an identity.. Am not Kikuyu just as you are not whatever ethnic community you come from..
Demanding that Kibaki resigns appears to have escaped most of those who wish to engage me on some shallow tribal antics which I have not intention of taking part in.
It is sad that we can not see Kibaki as a leader who has betrayed a country and Raila as a leader who has not done as much as we all hoped he could and stop attacking each other on tribal bases.
If you and me can do this, can go this far , how about our brothers and sisters who have not benefited from both academic, and international exposure. They wait to hear you and me interpret National and political issue in order to form an opinion and act towards what ever direction you and me guide them. and this appears to be our contribution….. am so sorry.

— On Sat, 4/4/09, martin njalale wrote:

From: martin njalale
Subject: [YP_Ke] Re: Kibaki/Raila on Coruption
To: youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:10 AM

Well Well Wel Mr Kamau i could not agree with u more if u were being sincere.It is true Raila is no Moses but wait a minute.All u people from the central part of kenya will castigate anybody from other regions other than ur own.
Lets look at who has done or said what.

The Judiciary………Raila says it should be reformed..Kibaki gives thumbs up the lot of u from central keep quite.

Mau Forest ……….Same scenario

Airport………………..Same

Tribal Bonding……….same

Migingo………………..Shutting up adds to the same scenario if it was populated by by the kikuyus the whole govt even the red cross would be there

I come from Bungoma District where Raila has never had a lot of support but unless the central click change their attitude and look at things from a kenyan perapective rather than a central one.Nobody and i mean nobody will buy what u are saying and the likes of Raila will draw support.Think talk and wish for 2012 but be assured that without fundamental change in thought from people like u kamau history will repeat itself.

So stop cheating ur self

— On Fri, 3/4/09, John Kamau wrote:

From: John Kamau
Subject: [YP_Ke] Kibaki/Raila on Coruption
To: “young”
Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 11:18 PM

Kibaki /Raila, on corruption.

It is so disgusting to read in the international media about the run away corruption in our country. It becomes even more disturbing when we look at the two principals and especially Raila who’s prime Ministers position was created through the strong support of the International community after he was viewed as a strong becon for good governance. His double speak leadership is crystallized by his appointment to the cabinet of the all time greatest looter of government institutions Henry Kosgey and the war lord William Ruto He of YK 92, among the Kanjwa’ngs in his team.

While Kibaki has failed Kenyans and should surely Resign, I say again Raila is no Moses and should also be shunted a side. The only way to save Kenya from these proponents of what McCain referred to in USA as, Generational theft: The international community should now apply the same measure of pressure to bear on these two principals, as they did to bring them to shake hands. This time to force them to give Kenya a new Constitution…

It is then, and only then that Kenya will start the real fight against the endemic corruption and all other vices that ails the country. Other wise 3 more years and Kenya will be on the auction list. Look at the rate in which prime national assets are being sold at give away prices to the Arab world.

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 02:38:30 -0700 [04/03/2009 04:38:30 AM CDT]
From: odhiambo okecth
Subject: Kenyans must demand action over Migingo
2nd April 2009

The world must know that for the last eight months, Yoweri Museveni of Uganda has been levying taxes on Kenyans leaving at Migingo Island, an Island in Kenya, 15 Kilometres from Muhuru mainland of Kenya and 260 Kilometres from the nearest mainland in Uganda.
This is an act of aggression.

During all that time, the world famed ruthlessness of the Kenya Police against Kenyans
and the brutality exhibited by the Kenya Army in Mt Elgon and Wagir against Kenyans has been conspicuously absent. The Kenya Police even took off from Migingo at the first sight of 2 armed Police Officers from Uganda.

Yesterday, Migosi Raila Odinga was emphatic that Migingo belongs to Kenya and that the Ugandan flag that has been hoisted there for the last eight months must be lowered immediately. He went on to say that only 6% of Lake Victoria belongs to Kenya. As a partner in this government, I would have wanted to hear from him that all those Ugandans at Migingo have been arrested for being in Kenya illegally, and are been detained at Kodiaga Prisons awaiting to appear in Court.

If 94% of the Lake belongs to Uganda and Tanzania, then, johana mane ma ooro Museveni mondo okaw Migingo Islands? [What is this madness that has made Museveni invade Kenya?]

Why are we negotiating with Museveni? If the Army, the Police and the politicians can not reclaim Migingo, the people will, the people of Kenya must. We will stop all transit
vehicles to Uganda, either through rail or road transport. We must stop all transit
vehicles either by rail or road into Uganda with immediate effect.

It is very simple;

1] The Kenya Police must immediately arrest all those people masquerading as Ugandan
Police at Migingo. They are in Kenya illegally. Do not negotiate this. It is so sad when
an invader shuts down our Minister in the presence of 2 Provincial Commissioners, the
Police Commanders and the press. Why is the Police Commissioner being sent to Uganda to negotiate with the invaders? Why has he never been sent to negotiate with Kenyans in areas of conflict? They cannot fool us!

2] The Armed Forces of Kenya must cease being ornaments best used for passing out
parades. They must defend the territorial space of Kenya. They must not negotiate with Museveni over any bit of an inch of Kenya. They must repulse those invaders with the full force that they can. Why move into Elgon and Wagalla with such might and force, and put your tails between your legs when your services are most needed? When Kenya has been invaded?

3] The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Kenya must know that Kenya has been invaded. He must act to protect Kenya and Kenyans. We do not eat new Districts. We eat the fish that Museveni is now controlling at Migingo. For Gods sake, can those people who meet Kibaki daily tell him that Migingo has been invaded and has been under the firm grip of Museveni for the last 8 months? And that he is the Commander-in-Chief of the Kenya Armed Forces, as Mutula and Kalonzo likes reminding us.

Unless he and they know something that we do not know.

The Commander-in-Chief?s response to the Migingo crisis, now in its eighth month, leads most of us to confirm that there is a deal between him and Museveni. This deal is a fulfillment of favours earlier extended, or a deal expected in future. And that future is
2012.

If we look at how Kibaki has bestrowed Kenya in the past 6 years, I am convinced that the president does not mean well for Kenya. If a part of Kenya can be invaded by a country like Uganda and he keeps silent, then his leadership is wanting. It is also not by surprise that the President has refused to visit that same part of Kenya for the entire period he has been President of Kenya.

Museveni had invaded Rwanda and Kagame beat him so quickly and so ruthlessly that he cannot try again. He invaded DRC and again, Kagame came to the rescue of DRC and beat him there. He tried Tanzania and he knew the repercussions. He knows that Tanzanians will beat him and follow him to Kampala and topple him, the way they did with Idi Amin Dada.

He tried South Sudan, and the rag tag army of the southern Sudan dared him. They were ready for him any time, day or night. He cannot dare Ethiopia. He knows that Menes Zenawi does not take those kinds of jokes lightly.

He then turned to Kenya and invaded Migingo and for eight months, his flag has been high as he collects taxes from Kenyans.

The fact that our trigger happy police force could fold their tail and take off speaks
volumes. What is the rationale of unleashing too much force on students who are just
rioting while you turn a blind eye to an invader?

Where is the force needed? Against our own or against the invaders? I cannot believe that our normally ruthless police force could have left Migingo in fear of Museveni. There must have been an order to withdraw.

I also do not believe that our ceremonial ornaments in the barracks are that cowardly.
They invaded Mt Elgon and beat our own Saboat people ruthlessly. There must have been an order for non interference. If our Army can beat people senseless in Mount Elgon and in Wagir, what can stop them from beating these Ugandans from Migingo?

Or, is it that our police and army are at their best against civilians, people who have
no guns? People who cannot defend themselves?

Surely, if the Police could cordon off Uhuru Park for a whole one month in January 2007, can they surely be so afraid of Museveni and his team at Migingo? If the Police could kill so many Kenyans just to ensure that Kibaki became our President, can they not kill these 2 Ugandans at Migingo? Can they surely be so afraid in Migingo?

No. It is not the Police, it is not the Army. It is the Commander-in-Chief.

If the President does not want to take action, Kenyans must now defend their territorial integrity. We did it before by uprooting the Railway line to Uganda. We did it before by stopping all transit vehicles through Busia and Malaba.

If Uganda has invaded Kenya, and the Kenya Police and Army are under instructions not to intervene, Kenyans must take the law into their hands and protect our boundaries.

It is a shame that a rag tag army in Somali can act so swiftly whenever there is
territorial violations while an Independent Kenya, cries baby.

It is sad to note that the President is doing nothing to promote peace, national healing
and reconciliation in Kenya. He is refusing, for purposes of expediency, to be the symbol of national unity.

It looks to me like Migongo is an advance post for 2012, and we must view it as such.
Kenya must not loose any inch of land, more so to Yoweri Museveni.

If the Army and the Police are under instructions not to defend us, let us defend
ourselves. Sijivuni kuwa Mkenya!

Odhiambo T Oketch,

Koamrocks Nairobi.