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Re: This Man Kimunya -; Re: Kibaki and Kimunya and Team to go to Jail
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— On Sat, 7/5/08, Paul Nyandoto wrote:
From: Paul Nyandoto
Subject: Vs: RE: Vs: Re: Kibaki and Kimunya and Team to go to Jail

Judy, Sam, K ´Onyiego & the rest,

I would advice we people to look very deeply into the FUTURE, Please can any one among you tell us what the FUTURE holds for Kenyans, or ODM, be it the year 2012 or after that?. The more a group of people or tribe lacks in actual competitive experience, the more it needs to make use of history for its instruction just as Judy wrote from the 1960s and Tom Mboya Oginga Odinga, Argwengs Kodhek, mbai   adventures etc. I will add this:   although history is no substitute for ACTUAL EXPERIENCE, it can be SOLID FOUNDATION for quickly and EFFECTIVELY learning from that EXPERIENCE.

Having said that I will be very simple this time and please do understand me now clearly: Who on earth will sell government properties to his tribesmen, imaginary comapnies, swindle money etc knowing very well that   by 2012 Hon. Raila might be the president?. Can any person wise in this group answer that?. On my simple mind I do think that these people have already calculated very well what plan and what they will do in 2012 so that Hon. Raila type of people will not get the presidency, neither the Prime ministry post under a new constitution. Because they know that if they allow that he will reverse all what they are doing today, remember 2012 is not too far away. So what option do we have now, the option is…….. some might not see the dawn of the 2012 election or they already know who will be the president after Kibaki. Let us not be the sleeping lots all the time. How many years have nyanza politicians been just making noise of corruption, lack of development, Kenya need this and that, do not grab land etc?. I think since Odinga parted ways with Kenyatta, do not forget that an average luo person life expecatncy is below 40 years,   so how many generations are going to pass before change comes?.   Guys please crack your heads hard and tell us where we are heading to?……. What ODM does not know is this: Kenyan is doing well and Kenyan is again receiving donors aid, and there is peace in Kenya to day becuase of the ODM politicians reconciliation motto. BUT what the ODM politicians have failed to do completely is this: THEY HAVE FAILED TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN MORE INFLUENCE AND POWER. Without ODM`S reconciliation Kibaki would have ended nowhere even if he was still the president, Kenya would have been worse than Zimbabwe today. Dos the ODM leadership know that and what are they doing about it…?

Paul Nyandoto

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Paul, Sam and Jairus,
 
 
In reference to Dr. Paul Nyandotos  Quote
 
“although history is no substitute for ACTUAL EXPERIENCE, it can be SOLID FOUNDATION for quickly and EFFECTIVELY learning from that EXPERIENCE”.
 
Yes, we have learned from experience that Kikuyu are trigger happy to assassinate those who politically oppose their political leadership advancement.   We have learned also that they are gluttons and do not understand a gentlemans dialogue, they have been exposed that they thrive from Kenyans hard earned sweat, and they rob with violence.   They kill their fellow human beings like animals who have been assembled for the slaughter house.   They have no morals and do not care for virtues.
 
We have decided to put a stop to that by teaming with the friends and allys of the world to defeat their selfish EGOCENTRIC.   We have learned that without curtailing their schemed plan, Kenyans will never be at peace with each other and the rest of other tribes will never see the inside of development  as well as  will never eradicate poverty from their community, region or localities  in their midst. We found out that this is the time.
That is why we cannot slow down. 
 
America and Koffi Anan has helped us to slow these thieves from their hard stance.   Has helped us atleast to start negotiations from a point of Grand Coalition Gov. between the two PNU and ODM in a 50/50 i.e.half half Government Ministerial share.   Has given the PNU the Kikuyus a second chance, which they through Kibaki have thrown to the window.   Now it is time not to burgain with them any more, because they have taken Kenyans  for fools.They have to face the brunt of events that will follow.  We have to remain and stay on top of every game, until the next election. What I am saying is, the Kikuyu will see nothing like leadership in Kenya, now and in the future.   They will have to learn the hard way. They have also to vomit all that they stole from Kenyans. They want to play stupid, we will play smart.
 
From Tom Mboya up till Kipkalias Kones, enough is enough. This is the more reason why Kenyans will stop at nothing but bring Kimunya to his size, and if Kibaki wont comply, he too will follow suit.   Kenyans will start to breath a sigh of Peace Development and tranquility. That is why, some of us, will think of nothing else day in day out until the GEMA Mafia and their Kikuyu sympathizers will say Yes…… “we  must cooperate with the rest of Kenyans”.   But for Kimunya, it is too late.   Kimunyas case is over.   We are looking at Kibaki to act on Kimunya.   It is exactly why Kenyans and the world will never slow down.    GEMA Mafia and  some of the Kikuyus  are origins of the jungle and can only understand iron fist and fisticuffs. We must get the jungle out of them.   I am fired up!!!!!!
 
Let them not make a mistake or even  try  any stupid  assassination on any  one of them,
be it Raila or Ruto, Balala, Orengo or Dalmas or any of the ODMs, the whole Kikuyu will burn into ashes.
 
Good day people, I love you all – the fire must stay burning!!!!!
 
Judy Miriga
USA

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Date:  Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:36:46 -0700 (PDT)
From:  Judy Miriga
Subject:   Re: Vs: RE: Vs: Re: Kibaki and Kimunya and Team to go to Jail

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Embattled Finance minister Amos Kimunya addresses a rally at Miharati Stadium in Kipipiri constituency on Sunday. The minister accused Prime Minister Raila Odinga of being part of a wider scheme to bring him down. Picture by Antony Gitonga
 

Kimunya: I’d rather die than resign
Published on July 7, 2008, 12:00 am
By Beauttah Omanga And Antony Gitonga

I would rather die than resign: That was Finance Minister Amos Kimunya’s answer to those who have been clamouring for his resignation.

The embattled minister came out fighting and accused Prime Minister Raila Odinga of being part of a wider scheme to bring him down.

Kimunya said if he had to resign, then Raila, Attorney General Amos Wako, Lands Minister James Orengo and anti-corruption commission director Aaron Ringera must also step aside to allow for investigation.

Kimunya, who has been in the eye of the storm over the Grand Regency Hotel sale, dug in and refused to step down saying: “I would rather die than resign.”
Finance minister Amos Kimunya and Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta at Miharati Stadium in Kipipiri constituency, on Sunday. The minister, who has been elusive since Parliament passed a Motion of no confidence in him on Wednesday, retreated to his Kipipiri constituency to launch a fight back at a rally at Miharati Stadium, less than three kilometres from his rural home.

The minister said he was a wrong target. Said he: “Instead of teaming up with me to catch the thief, they are targeting the wrong person.”

Bribes

Kimunya claimed that the PM was fully briefed prior to the transaction, but “ducked and set Orengo and Wako to implicate him” in the alleged scam.

The battle over the sale of the hotel promised to turn murky as the Finance minister sensationally claimed that Orengo blew the whistle after “his bid to solicit a Sh3 million bribe from a legal firm involved in the sale was turned down.”

“Orengo went public after he was denied a bribe of Sh3 million he demanded from a Mr Adan, one of the lawyers involved,” Kimunya said.

He challenged Orengo to deny ever making the bribe demand.

Kimunya’s claims drew quick fire from Raila, Wako, Orengo and lawyer Ahmed Adan who dismissed the allegations.

“Prime Minister Raila Odinga categorically denies and condemns Minister Kimunya’s allegations,” said a statement from the PM’s spokesman Salim Lone.

Mr Lone said: “The PM took up the issue of corruption allegations on Grand Regency forcefully when they surfaced in April and immediately addressed a letter seeking answers from KACC on a host of issues mentioned in the media.”

The statement added: “The PM was subsequently reassured, at least in part, when Mr Kimunya publicly dismissed talk of the Grand Regency sale and when news of the sale broke. The Cabinet committee on Finance that he chairs set up a team that produced a factual report on allegations of corruption within a day.”

Lone said Raila would issue a comprehensive statement today.

Reached for comment, Wako said on the telephone: “The Attorney General cannot be used in the manner in which the minister is claiming. My job is to safeguard the interest of all Kenyans. I deny completely, in the strongest possible terms, his allegations.”

Wako said a Central Bank of Kenya board of governors’ meeting had resolved that the AG be involved in the sale transaction, which he said he was not.

“The issue Kimunya should be telling the public is why Treasury and CBK bypassed the AG’s office after it had been resolved to involve it. That is what should be a big part of the investigation,” Wako said.

Adan said in a press conference he called after Kimunya’s allegations: “Orengo is a close friend, a polished lawyer I have worked shoulder to shoulder with. Kimunya’s allegations are falsehoods, baseless and the bribe theory totally unfounded.”

Raila refused defend him

Kimunya said: “Raila was very much briefed of all the transactions as regards Grand Regency. I suspected all was not well when he failed to come to Parliament to defend me on the very crucial day I was being discussed.”

The minister said he had personally been to the PM’s office where he briefed him and pleaded with him to prevail upon Parliament to defer the censor Motion until the following day.

But despite an assurance, the PM did not live up to his word.

In Parliament on Wednesday, Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka unsuccessfully tried to convince Parliament to defer the censure Motion, saying Raila had requested so.

The hard-hitting Kimunya said: “I got an assurance from the PM that he had even talked with the Chief Whips and asked them to have the matter discussed the following day. But while in Parliament, I did not see Raila whom I expected to defend me,” said Kimunya.

The Finance minister said Orengo was informed of the deal on April 23.

He dismissed the team that was formed by the PM to investigate him, saying: “They have no moral standing to investigate me. If I am guilty, they too are. If the CBK official made a mistake and they are under me, Lands officials also did the same and Orengo should carry the burden too.”

He went on: “I am being crucified for what I never did. I will also quit my Kipipiri parliamentary seat if I am found guilty of any wrongdoing. There is no way Kipipiri people will be represented by a thief.”

Hire foreign investigator

He asked President Kibaki to summon foreign investigators to investigate the Grand Regency saga, saying he had no confidence in Kenyan sleuths.

“I am asking the President to invite internationally-recognised investigators to investigate the whole saga,” said Kimunya.

He claimed that a few days before the matter was raised in public by the Lands minister, the PM was first briefed and allegedly gave Orengo the go ahead.

“Orengo was at the Treasury to brief the PM. I was also at the Treasury. Why didn’t he brief me, too, or even ask for details of what he had found out before rushing to the Press?” asked Kimunya.

Reached on the telephone, Orengo reacted angrily, saying he had instructed his lawyers to sue the minister for defamation.

“Kimunya’s strategy of fighting back is backward and primitive. He should not try to pull along other people to sink along with him. Let him not trivialise an important national issue,” said the Lands minister.

Orengo added: “I have struggled for this country for a very long time. I cannot betray the cause and comrades we fought with while Kimunya was nowhere in the political radar.”

Its politics

On the composition of team headed by the AG to investigate the saga, Kimunya said it was “suspect”.

“If the same people who have been complaining that we (PNU) shortchanged them are the ones to investigate me, then I am sorry, they cannot be fair no matter what,” said Kimunya.

The Finance minister said he had acted in good faith and wondered why the AG had disowned him too.

“The AG has failed since 1993 to repossess the hotel on behalf of the Government. I, the CBK and the KACC teamed up and salvaged the hotel. How can he now turn and say I am wrong. Is he sincere?” he asked.

He said he was being fought because of his firm stand against corruption at the Treasury.

Said he: “I am being targeted because I am against corruption. Our rivals (ODM) went out during the campaigns and promised contractors that if they took over power, their pending bills would be cleared. I have said No until they show me justification. That is why I am being fought.”

He said he was as clean as snow and even invoked Jesus’ name, saying: “I am clean. Even if Jesus comes today, he will find me innocent. Even Jesus was crucified for sins he never committed.”

He took a swipe at leaders from Central Province, who had disowned him, saying: “They are rejoicing when I am in hot soup. But what will they do when the truth comes out?”

He was apparently referring to leaders, led by Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister Martha Karua, who have demanded accountability from Kimunya over the saga.

Kimunya said he was not given enough time to defend himself in Parliament when the matter came up for debate.

“The speed at which the matter was rushed proved that it was a pre-determined Motion. I was meant to be censored no matter what happened,” said the bitter minister.
 
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  Folks,
 
Let everyone say,   “Kimunya be taken to Guatanamo” that is,  if Guatanamo is functioning. 

 Right now, he is too powerful  he can  endanger people in Kenya. 

He should not be put to a Kenyan jail.  Guatanamo would be  more preferrable, while he Kimunya awaits charges to be preferred against him.   This man is extremely dangerous. He is a dare devil trying to prove he is too powerful no Kenyan can do any thing to him or challenge him.
 
This Kimunya is dummy.   He forgets the Grand Regency sale was  negotiated and completed before election.   In other words, this money was for their campaign.

They forced themselves to cling to power so to cover up using money stolen from Grand Regency, and when they were actually busted, they want to drag ODM Raila and Orengo into it. Remember, at the time they were soliciting for the money they were in a hurry to finance their election.   Regency sale transaction was already up for grabs well before election in Dec. 2007.   How can any fool believe his statement of dragging Raila and Orengo into his mess?
 
Kimunya charges for urgent quit notice are based on:
1) he used his public office to transact public property in a personal private manner without public consent.
2) he denied more than once when he was questioned earlier that the hotel was not sold and it was later proved that it was sold
3) He defied protocol ethics, legal order requirement proceedure for which he swore allegiance to observe and protect public property in a manner stipulated by law
4) he refused and boasted to public that he will not step aside or vacate public office
5) he continues boastfully, to occupy public office even  after  he has voted no confidence and the house demonstrated they have no more faith in him
6) he treated and continues to treat public matter as his personal private matter
7) he was trying to arm-twist fellow Members from exposing Grand Regency Saga to wait a little longer because he wanted block and to destroy evidence as well as manipulate members through scare and manipulative threats
8) from his statement, his behaviour and attitude  anyone can underscore Kenyan Leaders are under duress, he is the power-house using Kibaki as his press button, and using threats as a tool to silence anyone opposing his acts.
9) this is the reason why Orengo cried for dear life and requested for security protection
10) from Grand Regency Saga, it is evident that Corruption is the in-thing – Kimunya and team must advance in the highest level without obstruction or resistance
11) this is the more reason why ODM is not awarded 50/50 share of Government in the Cabinet
12) this is the more reason why Kibaki want to continue to have a complete power and restrict Raila’s to actively perform Prime Minister’s  responsibilies  so Raila may remain    under Kibaki’s wing and control.
 
In all this, Kibaki does not want to honour the Grand Coalition Government and would be more than happy he brings it down to unmanagiable level, so he can continue to suppress the DEMANDS of Kenyans and pursue a dictatorship Government.
 
Kimunya is an animal in the jungle, the best suitable place for him is Guatanamo cell incase the place exists, while  this matter is given indepth investigation – otherwise, many lives are going to be endangered.   Remember, he is a wounded lion.
 
Judy Miriga
USA 
 
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Date:  Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:38:38 -0700 (PDT)
From:  Judy Miriga
Subject:   Kimunya: I’d rather die than resign – How about Guatanamo, is it functioning?

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When the Hon James Orengo lifted the lead on the sale of Grand Regency Hotel, Kimunya’s first response was that this was a deal signed between President Kibaki and President Gaddaffi of Libya.

This was truly telling as Kimunya immediately removed the hang man’s noose from his neck, and firmly placed it on the Presidents neck.

Several days down the line, his storyline is changing. First, he denied the involvement of the President and that of Libya. Then, he is now bringing in the name of the Prime Minister. Can this be true?

If this is indeed true, why did he not come out with all the facts at the first instance when he mentioned President Kibaki? Could this have been an after thought to malign and besmirch the name of the Prime Minister?

Be that as it may, this thing stinks, and Kimunya should resign immediately.

He is saying that no one has come up with anything tangible that can compell him to resign. I wonder what type of skin this guy has, for there are several issues with all his 10 fingers of corruption on;
1] He did not advertise the Hotel for sale as is by law required.
2] He did not invite competitive bids from any interested parties.
3] He transacted this sale behind the backs of the Legal Advisor to the Government
4] He did not bring this issue before the cabinet.
5] He pretended to grant amnesty to one Kamlesh Pattni.
6] He undervalued the Hotel
7] ……….

Secondly, his other dealings with De La Rue, Safaricom, Telkom, Kenren, Anglo Leasing payments, etc are all wanting. If these are not as serious for Kimunya, then nothing will ever be.

For the sake of his family, his wife, his daughter, his father, his mother, and his friends, he should resign now.

Odhiambo T Oketch
Komarock Nairobi

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From: odhiambo okecth
Sent: Friday, July 4, 2008 11:45:25 AM
Subject: Kimunya Flip-fopping

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Odhiambo,

You’re right, Kimunya is flip-flopping. By the end of this week, Kimunya may be heading to the alter, most likely, all by himself.

-James

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Date:  Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:57:21 -0700 (PDT)
From:  James Ololo Mamboleo
Subject:   Re: Kimunya Flip-fopping