Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:16:43 +0300 [01/08/2009 06:16:43 AM CST]
From: jensdy ; Kenya
Subject: RE: KENYANS MUST SUPPORT TEACHERS STRIKE

Just been thinking about this issue of harmonisation of teachers’ salaries.

What I don’t understand, will teachers give up their holidays since other civil servants are entitled to 21 days of leave every year?

Teachers have 15 days in April, 15 days in August and 35 days in December, that’s a whooping 66 days a year fully paid.

Don’t you think they are asking too much!!

Just a thought

Jens

From: Barbara Khalibinzwa
Sent: 08 January 2009 11:11
Subject: Re: KENYANS MUST SUPPORT TEACHERS STRIKE

I totally agree with you. We as Kenyans must show solidarity with teachers. Most parents are celebrating their children’s brilliant performances in national examinations due to teachers’ tireless contributions. Why Ongeri should talk such rubbish is beyond reason. How much did they add to their salaries and allowances without even batting an eye lid? And what Marende said about tax and MP allowances is still burning my ears. We are held at ransom by the very people we elected to represent us in parliament. Where is the change and equitable distribution of resources we heard about so much during campaigns? If it can happen to teachers it can happen to all of us who are paying taxes through our noses to support the lifestyles of these MPs.

— On Wed, 1/7/09, henry ouma wrote:

From: henry ouma
Subject: KENYANS MUST SUPPORT TEACHERS STRIKE
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:37 PM

Friends,

I am disappointed by remarks made by minister the Hon. Prof. Ongeri that Kenya’s economy cannot afford what teachers want paid—–Ant such remarks in bad taste ?

Can Ongeri explain what MP’s do for them to earn over kshs—800,000 more than what senators in the US earn ? yet US is perhaps the richest economy on earth ? Is Kenya meant for MP’s and their families ?

Kenyan teachers deserve even more than what they are asking for : Kenyans must support teachers in their quest for better terms of employment including better salaries and allowances

Unless Kenyan MP’s create processes that we see fairness in income distribution and social provisioning arrangements for the socio-economically disadvantaged——There is no reason for peace in Kenya and persistent struggles for fundamental change in management of national affairs including distribution of resources MUST continue.

Guyz,

As a renown constitutional lawyer, Justice Ringera erred greatly by demanding for the repeal of the Children Act to reintroduce corporal punishment.

Could lack of corporal punishment be hampering the prosecution of corruption cases? Let him deliver and leave civilisation to settle in Kenya.

—
Wycliffe Ouma
Regional Coordinator – Western
Kenya Alliance for Advancement of Children (KAACR),
P.O Box 6853, Kondele,
Kisumu
Tel. +254-57-2025453
Cell. +254-725790184
Email-wyckyus@gmail.com
Web-www.kaacr.com

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Life Starts at Conception. Preserve it!

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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:51:00 +0300 [01/08/2009 07:51:00 AM CST]
From: Wycliffe Ouma
Subject: Ringera Erred on Children Act

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 14:37:21 -0800 [04:37:21 PM CST]
From: patrick opondi
Subject: coalition government a failure

Coalition a failure

Early last year, the international community forced Kenyans to adopt a coalition government under two principals, the president and the prime minister. Both had laid claims to have won the highly discredited and disputed 2007 general under the defunct electoral commission of Kenya . The ECK hurriedly declared a winner though serious obvious flaws were documented that could have prompted the electoral body to carry out an audit and some soul searching before reaching at a verdict. As events unfolded very quickly amidst protest and confusion, the ECK rubbished tangible evidence allayed by protesters, hurriedly declaring the incumbent a winner.To date, the two principals and their lieutenants are bickering and accusing one another of all sorts of evils. Since inception, they have agreed on just a few fundamental issues such as the dissolution of the very body that bungled the election.

The ECK under Kivuitu , our security forces and the then incumbent president knowingly and willingly derailed democracy, eventually plunging the country into a crisis that has continued to haunt this administration to date.

From the onset, the coalition was faced with a myriad of problems as strange bedfellows cohabited. PNU assumed credibility and legitimacy through the constitution regardless of the tones of accusations leveled against them, including accusations that they manipulated the general elections to their favor. ODM claim to victory was bolstered by the party illustrious performance in both the civic and parliamentary election. To date, there is a great element of distrust and all manner of suspicions between the two parties, eroding all the efforts to harmonize administration.

We no longer have leaders talking collectively on national issues, including the ragging media law enacted recently by the president. Each an every time we are faced with a crisis, all political parties in the coalition is in denial, pointing fingers to their partners to shoulder blame. Don’t we have a coalition government that speaks from the same platform with one voice?

Who is responsible for the daily administration of the country and who issues orders to the top civil servants? From the public bickering between the two parties, it is evident we have parallel governments, under Kibaki and the other headed by Raila . The head of public service and secretary to the cabinet, the government spokesman and other top notch leaders have aligned themselves to PNU, openly working against and discrediting the efforts of the prime minister. On the other hand, cabinet ministers from the ODM have persistently lambasted Muthaura and their colleagues from the other divide, who they accuse of undermining the office of the prime minister. It is apparent the coalition still need elaborate fine tuning for all partners to read from the same script instead the common assumption that we have one government.

A workable coalition dictates that both parties consult, in all maters however pertinent. It is a way to engage and build trust. Where as the president and the prime minister may be in consultation, it now apparent that there are powerful forces out to poke and derail their working formula.

But the president is guilty too because some of his appointed officials have not acted in accordance with the principles of the national accord that created the office of the prime minister. At par with the president, the accord demands that both parties be consulted and treated as equals in the coalition. Why would the PM not be consulted in important issues like the transformation of the electoral body?

Although we temporarily acquired peace as a country by accepting to work under a coalition government, its formation was a violation of our electoral rights and opinions, negating all the democratic achievements we have gained as a nation. A winner and a loser accepted to share the spoils of governance but with different ideals.

Patrick L Opondi,

Wasio-Migori.

http://migoriconstituency.blogspot.com/

Patrick Lumumba Opondi
NB!

From: Paul Nyandoto
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 1:33:56 AM
Subject: PNU, ODM-K & ODM are taking Kenyans NOWHERE

Kenyans:

The country is moving backwards , so let Kenyans wake up. The coalition governmnet is just a joke at a time Kenyan debt is also growing at an alarming rate. Kenyan`s jobless figures are impossible to calculate, poverty and starvation are already been taken as normal life style, while Mps are enjoying the tax-payers money without any responsibility. Kenyans are also moving away for greener pastures at an alarming rate, infact the number of Kenyan students going out of the country for education is also very alarming. It raises a lot of questions: will the country have enough geniuses to make the development in future?. Do the country or present governmnet know that these young Kenyans leaving the country now to other countries for studies or greener pastures are the country`s future ?. African countries have been talking about brain draining to developed countries, so what is this coalition government doing to prevent this?, or they will just open their mouths to cry again to the developed country to do something about it?.

How did President Kibaki get the media bill now creating hell?. I do know that before a bill is signed by the president it must be discussed in the parliament. So who are the Mps who passed this bill in the first place?. Do Mps realy performe their duties or they just travel abroad, go on with their private businesses at a time when a bill is being discussed in the parliament?. It is very odd that in a coalition government the president ends up getting a bill from the parliament to sign and it is only after that when a prime minister and over 50% of the Mps start joking around by condemning the president for signing it. What type of government do Kenyans pretend they have?.

We hear of a new constitution to be in 2009, by the way we are already in 2009 so why signing a new media bill while there will be a new constitution?. Or Kenyans are being taken for aride, will there be a new constitution in 2009 or NOT?. You Know Ugands are Tanzanians used to think that in Kenya there are a lot of educated people and kenyans are more smarter, but all what we do see now in Kenya it looks that it is in Kenya where there are less smarter people than either in Tanzania or Uganda. Guys our country is going the Somalian way bit by bit.

I hear ODM also had a list of diplomats to be assigned to foreign jobs, but the list has not been established and PNU have not made his promise as the coalition government did agreed. So who is this ODM trying to cheat?. Are they cheating themselves or the ordinary people who risked their necks for them?. Ladies and gentlemen I do think PNU is doing very bad things to the ODM coalition partner, but ODM is to be blamed for taking Kenyans backwards. This coalition is working because of ODM so why should they keep on doing what they are doing and using ordinary people to get what they want and still cry with wide mouths?.

Ladies and Gentlemen to those who are still sleeping, let me wake you up: ` the presidential DICE in 2012 is already CASTED`there is no way ODM will produce a Kenyan president in 2012. When Kibaki gave Saitoti internal security ministry, he already throw the dice. Do no forget that in Kenya there is no transitional government during election, so it is he Saitoti who will still be the minister for internal security even during the 2012 elections, and it is he Saitoti who will still be giving orders to the police, GSU etc. and Kibaki is the head of defence until a new president is in place and Kalonzo will hold the home affairs. So how is this present ODM will make its dreams?. Even now when we do have peace Raila speaks this and Muthaura or saitoti ends up doing the opposite. The ECK have not respected what Raila said, infact they are back in full force. Saitoti ordered policemen to beat the media at a time Raila was speaking the opposite. I do see ODM as a mule which is trying to run a horse race banking on the noises being made by the spectators but NOT from its own trained muscules and capability. ODM should also stop using human skin as a shield to further their agenda while they are blindly sleeping with the enemy all the time. The voters had alreay done their job so it is the ODM leaders time to do their jobs, but are they doing it?, I think NO, if I am wrong then they are doing their jobs very badly. How long is ODM wants be a mule and for what gain?. Why can`t ODM be bold enough to call for a new election?. The PNU has already surpassed them on that also, they have already destroyed the ECK using the ODM`s demands BUT have used the opportunity to elect their own ECK transitional guys of their choice, so should they call the election now, it will be the Muthaura`s guys ( Chege etc) who will handle the election, what a dity game?.

Those who wanted to form a new party, I hope you do see now the opportunity and the loopholes you can build your foundation on now, but please have a smarter goals and foundations than those English words you did write to us some days a go.

Paul Nyandoto.

Folks,

This and many others for your food of thought, I forward here under, although questionable, there is no doubt this featured the true drama Hollywood style, how 2007 Election Coup was set, formulated and executed. The result where Kibaki forced himself back to power in a genocide motivated circumstances where more than 3,000 people lost lives in thirst for true democracy. If this is the case, then we understand why President Kibaki is behaving in such questionable manner – People must therefore take note it is a sign of warning, public needs to prepare and tighten their belt for tougher times ahead. Take heart, no need to fear, God will be on our side.

Quoting George Nyongesa, Bunge La Mwananchi ” Kenyans must remain aware that this whole political game is a power ploy between the state and the people. It is upon Kenyans to remind the state that the state power is a derivative of the people power. In this equation, the state will use their instruments to show power and the people will draw on their inherent power of resilience and boldness to challenge the state’s excesses. History will confirm to us that in this contest, eventually, the integrated power of the people will always triumph! Change is surely coming to Kenya.

Robbing public off their victory under calculated violent act while steadfastly denying them freedom of information by curtailing MEDIA, in the event to starve the Nation under cover, manipulate security through sectionalized Police force by intimidation with associated Mungiki rebel threats under cover in order to instil fear so to manipulate stay-in-power which is understood to mean “Leadership Under Dictatorship control”. This must not be allowed under all circumstances.

Kibaki’s rule through such manouvres is evidential proof of the way he planted MUTHAURA (who is junior to PM Raila) to muddle events, he sticks his gun on the ECK Team which he cant get over with, he steers Saitoti (to inherit him) as seen in the control of Police and armed force, Michuki in the control of Finance Ministry, he sets Uhuru Kenyatta to steady watch over PM Raila, he positioned Kalonzo Musyoka to maintain the spoil systematically both in the house and outside, he appointed Mutula Kilonze as his spokesman, to Macho on the twisting of events and legal implication for escape route, we see how Biwot and Team are getting on board through the back door, we see how Moi is back actively campaigning in politics financing, fixing gadgets and bankroll machinery and equipment – come 2012 people’s energy to move on steadily on their quest to democracy will have waned and thinned out. It is very clear they are trying to evade the most necessary constitutional reform, which is why they keep scheming to 2012 election preparation, knowing too well they cannot escape implimentation of reform agenda number four.

Quote……”Former UN chief Kofi Annan has cautioned the Government against relenting on its reform agenda. Annan said Kenya was vulnerable to a repeat of horrific violence witnessed last year if reforms were not undertaken. Credited with negotiating a power-sharing deal in Kenya after the disputed presidential elections last year, Annan urged leaders to ensure Agenda Item Four of the Serena talks was implemented. He said there was sufficient political will to allow discussion and implementation of various promised reforms. “I have the impression sufficient political will now exists among coalition partners and sufficient unity of purpose among the public to provide Kenya with a historic opportunity for peaceful transformation,” Annan said in a statement on Sunday.
He also praised the Government for achievements made under the Grand Coalition, but stressed the need to implement recommendations of the Kriegler and the Waki commissions. The agreement signed by President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga two weeks ago, for the implementation of the Waki recommendations, Annan said, had affirmed Government’s intention to end impunity and reform the police force.
The reform agenda, Annan said, should move much faster, warning the window of opportunity for serious reforms would soon start closing. He also cautioned politicians against premature campaigns for the 2012 elections, saying the country could be distracted from more pressing priorities. The media, civil society, religious sector and other stakeholders, Annan said, should remain focused in pressing for advancement of reforms by the executive”.

The President has failed Kenyans on the MEDIA BILL……….. when he ignored local and international concerns on the Communications of Kenya (Amendment) Bill 2008 to sign it into law on Friday, President Mwai Kibaki deliberately turned to syntax to justify an improper act. His Government resorted to propaganda to portray media practitioners, human rights activists and lawyers – among other critics – as too ignorant to understand depth and potency of the venom in the new law. He portrayed thousands of experts opposed to the law as too ignorant to comprehend the intricacy of his decision or too haughty to care for the purported good aspects of the new law and its role in fulfilling the Vision 2030 dream. We all want the country to prosper. We want a better future for our children, an environment that attracts investors, and a people who stand for the national good. But this can only be achieved with good laws, which is why we are upset with the President’s decision to assent to a Bill that negates the very basic of aspirations of our country. It is unfortunate that the President claims that section 88 is not part of the amendments passed by the Parliament in December, lack of quorum notwithstanding. This is the ominous section that empowers the Minister for Internal Security to storm media houses and confiscate broadcast equipment. It is curious for the Head of State to twist the truth, ignore salient issues and popular appeal and make Kenyans believe he is making a credible argument. It is alarming if he innocently believes or has been made to believe that the draconian law he has assented to is his New Gift to Kenyans.

Tana River residents not consulted on Qatar land lease
The Government’s decision to lease land in the Tana River Delta to Qatar is another manifestation of the State’s inconsistency relating to the development and future of the delta and its residents. It is a reflection of bad governance and a Government that is insensitive and unresponsive to the democratic rights and civil liberty of the indigenous coastal communities, who have occupied and used land in the delta since time immemorial.

Should the government lease 40,000 hectares of the Tana River Delta to Qatar?

How can it happen that the government is trying to lease out land and it cannot afford to feed it’s citizens? We are already experiencing acute food shortage and the govenment is still ready to lease out land to foreigners. Where are we heading to? … ……. …… asked Willy Birech, United States

Question Mark – Is Government Blackmailing Kenyans?
How was the decision to award the land reached? Was due process followed? Is it a coincidence that major decisions on the Tana Delta are announced in December through the media? The proposed sugar cane project was also announced in December 2003.
Why is it that the value of all the proposed projects revolve around the Sh2.4 billion mark? How come the Government is unwilling to provide appropriate information to the public, and more importantly, to the local communities?

Held accountable
Which ministry or State organisation should be held accountable and responsible for the decision to lease out the land? The Tana River Delta is rich in resources. It has many uses, users and interested parties. Decisions made concerning the region must take cognizance of this multiple use and sustainable yields of the delta. Before the Government proceeds with its current piecemeal and inconsistent development agenda, we urge it to formulate and develop an integrated land use master plan taking into account the region’s social, economic and ecological factors. This would revolve around crop farming, livestock herding, fisheries, tourism, biodiversity and natural resource conservation among others. The plan should be acceptable to all users of the delta and address their needs and aspirations. International interests must also be taken into account, like the Ramsar Convention on Wetlands, which Kenya is party to.

What is the fate of Grand Regency Hotel?

Respect rights
The rights of the local people must be respected. Residents have a right to appeal because they believe the Government’s decision will harm them and their livelihood.
The future of Tana River Delta calls for equity and better governance.

Why would Institutions be holding Sh38 billion as unclaimed funds? And why is Michuki not comming clean, is he hiding under the wings of Oburu?
Financial institutions are holding Sh38 billion in unclaimed financial assets when widows, orphans and other dependants have suffered for lack of a formal mechanism to reclaim the funds. Assistant minister Oburu Odinga, however, said a report from a team appointed to investigate the matter would soon be tabled in Parliament for action to be taken.
But Mr M’Mithiaru said the banks were claiming back the amounts after some duration and asked the minister to come up with concrete solutions as Ekwee Ethuro (Turkana Central) called for an executive order to check the trend before the amendments.

Kenyas’ Security is compromised

With Iran’s special interests in Kenya, what are we not told?

Why is Kenya’s Borders compromised by the Presidents’ tactful schemes?

Where is Kenyas’ security as a whole? Or is Kenya really secure or AUCTIONED?

Is something cooking that Kenyans do not know???????? Is this kind of behavior by the President in order???????????

Raila calling on CRISIS MEETING:
This is a sign that things are not good …… ……. …. Prime Minister Raila Odinga has called a crisis meeting of ODM ministers and legislators to reassess the party’s “standing in Government” this Wednesday. The PM considers the development as a slap in the face after he had publicly assured Kenyans that the President would not append his signature to the controversial Bill. The move by the President has caused ripples in the media fraternity but there are indications that it could have even more devastating effect on the Government. Of great concern is that the simmering tension in Government could have dire repercussions on the political stability, including derailing the ongoing reform agenda.

Since the public will not DEMAND less for CHANGE, we must categorically continue to pressure the President to pursue the signed agreements between him and PM Raila, so before anyone thinks of disolving Grand Coalition Government, there is still goodwill to deliver the required reform to the people as expected of them.

President Kibaki is not on a joy ride with Kenyans…… open your eyes and open them wide…………

Judy Miriga
Diasporan Spokesperson
USA

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:04:16 -0800 [01:04:16 PM CST]
From: Judy Miriga
Subject: Fw: Kibaki was Part & Parcel of 2007 Election Coup now planning for Repeat

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:20:54 -0800 [09:20:54 AM CST]
From: owinga bonfas
Subject: Re: Not sincere and Irresponsible MPs

Karanja you talk as if Kibaki himself has no brain to know that this Media Bill was flawed and bad for the country..If someone is out of touch with common mwanachi then its Mwai Kibaki..no wonder he rigged the elections and caused Kenya untold suffering and mayhem. You talk as if PNU MPs are so foolish that they dont know what they are doing unless ODM stops them..Kenyans rejected PNU in 2007 but they rigged themselves in and no we are in a mess..what we need if fresh elections so that we have a legitmate government elected by the people not a negotiated government after broad day light theft…..

— On Tue, 1/6/09, joseph karanja wrote:

From: joseph karanja
Subject: Not sincere and Irresponsible MPs
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:09 PM

I have a feeling that however much we don’t want to have
a gagged media, Where was the ODM Camp when the other
parliamentarians in the PNU camp were passing the Media bill
in the parliament?Would you agree with me to conclude
that,either they avoided being present in the parliament
intentionally so as to give Raila a political mileage
thereafter or else these guys are just irresponsible,
insensitive and as usual out of touch with the issues
affecting common Mwananchi..but so good in verbal diarrhea
and gimmicks ……..

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:03:34 -0800 [07:03:34 AM CST]
From: Monicah Magothe
Subject: Re: Hypocrisy- a virtue in Kenya

Nganga my concurs with yours. How do our ODM honourables pass a bill in parlianment and then criticize their own bill. Kenyans we need to rise above this hypocrisy from our politicians. If the bill was against ODM stand, it wouldl never have neared the state house. It would have died at the readings level and the president, however willing, would never have assented. They were happy passing it coz media had got into their nerves coz of taxation issue. Now they want to buy our sympathy and cheating kenyans that they are for us. They are not. They did not use their power of numbers and majority at the right time. All they seek is sympathy.

From: Nganga Joe Mungai
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 12:18:10 PM
Subject: Hypocrisy- a virtue in Kenya

Happy new year

Hypocrisy has become a virtue in Kenya.It will ill our dear country
As I write please note

1. I do not support Kibaki on the media bill for the obvious.He has goofed big time.
2. I do not like the holier than thou attitude by Raila and his ODM.They need to explain to Kenyans where they were when the bill sailed through parliament! ODM has the majority in the August house.Can not trust them.
3. I HATE the tribal connotations in this forum in most of the writers ‘arguements’.Its unfortunate this is coming from the elite.I have seen guys defend thieves because they come from their tribes.Kikuyus defended Kimunya (Grand Regency) and Luos defended Kajwang(work permit scandals which persist to date)
4. You all know there is big time rooting going on in the government by ministers and permanent secretaries and their cronies through contracts ..Tell me of one minister who is not stealing!

My advice is humble and simple

1. Stop negative ethinicity.It begins and ends with you
2. Think of electing a young man in 2012 irrespective of tribe.A person of impeccable character
3. Stop protecting the current thieves we have in the current government

Nganga Joe

Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:17:31 -0800 [01:17:31 PM CST]
From: owinga bonfas
Subject: Call for fresh Elections

Dear All,

Its time that Kenyans started thinking of fresh elections so that we have a government with legitimacy and mandate of the people. Kenyans are getting real tired with the bickering between ODM and PNU but also with the lack of listening to their voices by this government called the Grand Coalition. If we are not careful then even Constitutional Reforms that we dearly hold will go through rounds and rounds of circus and we may just go to the 2012 polls without a new Constitution.

Mathaura has become the new President in Kenya without being elected by a single Vote. Note also that this coalition is actually “illigitimate” because Kibaki did not win any election-It was fraud neither Raila-he was rigged out. The only way out of this bickering is fresh elections for fresh mandate from Kenyans. The cost of living is too high for these leaders to overburden Kenyans with all these bickering. First no MP wanna pay their taxes..while Millions of poor Kenyans are paying their taxes. The issue cannot be tackled becuase PNU and ODM are at logger-heads.

Secondly the President closes his eyes to all voices and signs into law a draconian Bill that will be used in 2012 to rig the elections and silence the press. Mark you this is coming if nothing is done by 2012. Just like Kenyans were warned when Kibaki single-handedly picked the Kivuitu Team and they thought it was a joke.People like Amos Wako..Francis Muthaura are big liabilities to this nation and should have taken a walk long time ago so that this great nation can move forward. In all his tenure as the AG what has Amos Wako done that one can write home about? Nothing. Muthaura on the side keep creatung tensions in the coalition-using powers that he doesnt have just because he close to the President and purports to protect the interests of some groups and people.

If Kenyans dont want to go through bickering till 2012 and mark you with bickering there will no development then the only option is calling for fresh elections as soon as possible.But if you want to watch the theartre of the absurd then wait..more is yet to come with the Constitutional Review process and many more Bills coming.Did I tell you that Kimunya will be coming back soon? How can Kimunya be guilty if the President is his mentor and confidant? How can another person be the Minister for Finance if not Kimunya? It has to remain vacant till Kimunya comes back-thats Kenya led by Mwai Kibaki. How can Suleiman Chege be dismissed while he played an important role in making sure that the elections were free and fair and Kibaki declared the President?? How can people like the Chief Justice go while he swore in the President at hard times?

For us to break all these we need fresh elections and a new government that will not carry all the baggage of 2007..It will decisively deal with all these issues without paying back who did what and what for “them” to go through the hardest times ever.Muthaura feels that Chege and the rest must just be around or else his interest and the president interests and some peoples interets wil not be taken care of and he has the constitutional powers lent to him by Mwai Kibaki. We are a country that goes round and round and round and will never move forward if we dont break this cycle.Lets have fresh polls instead of all this bickering and going round in cycles.

— On Tue, 1/6/09, Robert Alai wrote:

From: Robert Alai
Subject: Re: NTV Must Withdraw all Dr. Mutua Productions
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:33 AM

Grace

Always argue about something you know. Arguing just for the sake of it will make you look like the former foot licker called Lotodolicking Moi’s shoes for nothing but simple ethinic reasons

Robert

On 1/5/09, Grace Njoroge wrote:

What is wrong with earning an extra buck if it is not done at anyone’s expense!! I am always reading articles on how, many Kenyans are earning an extra buck besides their full time jobs!! Why is Mutua’s case different? If as a civil servant he is not allowed to earn extra, then what he is doing is certainly wrong. I have never seen any of his so called movies or series or whatever they are labeled, but you have a choice to watch or not to watch!

Problem is we can not always like everyone and not everyone likes me and you! Face it.. we all have skeletons in our closets! and if anyone has evidence, why don’t you come out in the open and talk about it…this forum is not enough and no evidence is given here, and even if it were mentioned in this forum, what good is it for us if no one here is ready to take it further. This is why we never move from point A to B…we always complain about this person and that person, but we never have the courage to produce the evidence to the public!! If anyone has evidence, direct it through the right channels. The hullabaloo here wont do any good!

On 05/01/2009, maureen achieng wrote:

Guys,

At first i thought watu wanamuonea Mutua, coz he has been attacked ever since term one in office….but as days continue i also find blame in him….I would suggest he leaves production to someone else and instead enroll for a diploma in either public relations or Political science!
AMA

— On Mon, 1/5/09, HD wrote:
From: HD —
> Regards,
> Felix Otiato
> 0722986617/0733435587
>

— On Mon, 1/5/09, Robert Alai wrote:

From: Robert Alai
Subject: Re: NTV Must Withdraw all Dr. Mutua
Productions
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 2:47 AM

Ngari

So when tomorrow the PM decide to be selling groundnut in the streets then you will be happy with it because he will be selling sweet groundnuts? Dr Mutua is a senior government official and in the rank of a PS. There is no reason why he should be doing business openly and raking millions. It means that he is so idle. Or the government should pay him per hour. What time does he have for Golden Dreams and what time does he have fot the government work?

He can use others to run his business but I met him once shooting and directing cobra squad, i wondered what the hell lots of time this guy have. And do you know that the Communication ACT now is trying to fight people running everything. One person having Radio, TV and newspapers.

Why is Dr Mutua government spokesman, realestate owner, Producer, Director, and a very very boring insult spitting machine. Thats also what we should fight and we should not look at it that he is creative.
Creative my ***. How many Kenyans go to NTV, KTN, Royal and even Radio Africa with good productions and dont get a chance because they don’t know anybody? I have been a victim of this and know how hard it is. Why is NMG bosses now baby sitting Mutua while he is sending leaflets and propaganda out fighting them?

The Media must have principles in this country and reject contracts of people like Mutua and his henchmens

Robert

On 1/5/09, Ngari wrote:

Felix,

I think he went to Wollongong University for his doctorate, I stand to be corrected though,

On 1/5/09, Felix Otiato wrote:

Has any one here read the propaganda leaflets that were being didtributed in the morning by Mutua’s office? I saw some at Globe and I thought they were those ten bob gutter things. I took a look and saw one the reasons that

> ‘editors met at night to demonize politicians’. Which school did Mutua go?
>
>
> On 1/4/09, john kihahu wrote:

If you have grudges with Alfred Mutua, better score them with him and leave his productions alone. I do not watch any of his programs but that does not mean they are bad or anything!

So, suppose they are withdrawn, what happens next: We start watching cheap imports from TZ ….. Jeez ……… I’m comfortable watching Kenyan armatures instead.

Then what happens to the Talent he’s trying to nurture! *Its important that we learn to differentiate between a PERSON** and their **WORK**.*

I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot, slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been warned!

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Robert Alai wrote:

Ngari

Kwani who doesnt know Alfred Mutua.

He is an arrogant and very very corrupt person. He is in this forum and if he wantts explanation I am ready to give him on how he acquired houses and land illegally in Kariobangi south and Embakassi areas. Dr Mutua is not someone who can claim to be clean. And NTV must have principles. When Artur brothers were terrorising Kenyans, NTV, KTN, Kiss and other media presenters and journalists were sleeping with them when Pattni who has plundered the country is contantly being given VIP status including in shows like Churchil live.

Where are principles in the media in Kenya. I wonder if any U.S.A. will ever give Madoff VIP status.

The corrupt must be treated like thugs and there is no way you are going to pamper them and expect to have some dignity

Robert

On 1/5/09, Ngari wrote:

Why should the productions be withdrawn? Has he broken any laws? I opine that Dr Mutua has the necessary skills knowledge be experience to produce something that the audience wants, first off being cobra squad. Are we sure that his position in government is what made him to get the contract with NTV?

And also, did he act in any way that is corrupt so that he can get his productions in there? After all, he entertains us, and He’s creating many an opportunities for his cast, and crew. I think he ought to continue with his productions in NTV or any other privately owned station that think his work is good enough for them.

On 1/4/09, matengo wrote:

Wanabidii

I am writting this mail to ask NTV to remove all productions of this Civil Servant called Dr. Alfred Mutua.

The guy is making money using his positions to secure contracts. Nation Media group must have principle and remove all productions of this man who has been lying to Kenyans. I don’t know if NTV is pleasing this man or what but he must be stopped from lying to Kenyans and getting contracts through his position. His company which is called Golden Dream productions must try KBC but must not be allowed in other private stations

We demand that NTV remove all Golden Touch Productions from our TV

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A.

Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:12:29 -0800 [01:12:29 PM CST]
From: George Wainaina
Subject: Re: Of MPs: Introduce bill to limit their terms to two (2)

Dear All,

I have read Peter’s and Rhourne’s emails with a lot of interest. And because the two touch on a subject that is very dear to my heart, I will comment on the two in detail before coming up with what are my humble suggestions.

I agree with Rhoune that MPs will not save our country because they are greedy. But who are these MPs? They are our brothers and sisters; our sons and daughters; our fathers and mothers. We replaced 80% of the 9th parliament with some of the people who were very critical of MPs but we have a group that is worse than the one we replaced. PROOF THAT OUR SOCIETY IS ROTTEN. THAT INCLUES ALL OF US

Yes, on election MPs use the opportunity to enrich themselves at our expense BUT WE RE-ELECT THEM EITHER BECAUSE THEY BELONG TO OUR TRIBE OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE BRIBED US OR PROMISED US SPECIAL BENEFIT ON ELECTION.

Limiting MPs terms and whittling down their terms may sound good but WHO WILL MAKE THAT LAW ? WILL MPs AGREE TO DO THAT? NEVER! AGAIN, ANY TERM BE IT ONE OR TEN YEARS IS VERY LONG IF GIVEN TO THE WRONG PERSON

Make PC’s governors? THAT IS CREATING 8 OR 12 LITTLE GODS. PEOPLE WHO WILL BE ABOVE THE LAW ESPECIALLY IF GIVEN THE POWER OF VETO! BEING ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE IS NO SOLUTION BECAUSE DO WE NOT ELECT THE MPs AGAINST WHOM WE COMPLAIN PERPETUALLY? HOW CAN WE MANAGE THE THE TERMS OF 8 OR 12 PEOPLE WHILE WE CANNOT MANAGER THE TERMS OF ONE PRESIDENT AND ONE PRIME MINISTER?

So what are the solutions? THE SOLUTION IS ONE. WE KENYANS.

WE ALL MUST CHANGE:

1. EACH ONE OF US MUST APPRECIATE THAT WHEN WE CLAMOUR FOR OUR RIGHT (HAKI YETU) WE MUST HONOUR THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS ( HAKI YAO)

2. WE MUST RECOGNISE THAT NOBODY CHOOSES PARENTS AND THEREFORE NODOBY SHOULD BE JUDGED BY THE TRIBE – WE SHOULD JUDGE A PERSON BY HIM OR HER;

3. WE MUST APPRECIATE THAT NO TRIBE IS GREATER OR LESSER THAN ANOTHER TRIBE;

4. WE MUST CHANGE FROM THE FALLASY/MISCONCEPTION PERPETUATED BY POLITICIANS THAT IF A MINISTER OR PRESIDENT COMES FROM OUR TRIBE WE WILL BENEFIT EXCESSIVELY.

5. WE MUST REALISE THAT WHATEVER OUR MP’s DO IS FOR THEMSELVES AND THE TALK THAT THEY ARE DOING IT FOR US IS UNTRUE.

If we succeed in the foregoing, we shall be able to UNITE AND FIGHT OUR ISSUES AS ONE KENYA ONE NATION. THAT WAY, WE SHALL:

1. JUDGE ISSUES BY THEIR MERIT AND BY THE PERSON BEHIND THE ISSUES, THAT IS WE SHALL BE OBJECTIVE;

2. WE SHALL ELECT PEOPLE BECAUSE OF ABILITY NOT TRIBE;

3. WE SHALL JOINTLY FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHT FOR PROPER LAWS MADE FOR THE US -THE PEOPLE – AND NOT AGAINST US; FAIR PRICES FOR GOODS; FAIR AND EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF RESOURCES; JUSTICE FOR ALL KENYANS WITHOU DISCRIMINATION BECAUSEOF POSITION OR WEALTH; EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL KENYANS.

I shall appreciate comments, including criticism, on what I have said.

Dr. George Wainaina, PhD.
Chairman,
ONE KENYA ONE NATION

— On Mon, 1/5/09, Kenfish wrote:

From: Kenfish
Subject: Re: Of MPs: Introduce bill to limit their terms to two (2)
Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 5:06 AM

Thank you Rhoune;

These are the reforms that will save this country. My suggestion – Can we have all provinces being converted to states with governors instead of PC’s who are political, so that governors are elected by people? Then the governors can reign in on the MP’s in their regions as well as scrutinize the bills passed by parliament?

The governors would have the right to veto issues in parliament, while they would be subject to , a tribunal that sits and looks at their terms once in a lifetime? They would be expected to live in their home state and meet periodically in say Nakuru or some central town to look at parliamentary business? The local authorities would then be managed directly by governors, and that the ministry of local authorities becomes obsolete? That the MP’s will only govern for a term not exceeding two 5 year terms? I see cost savings, strong grassroots leadership and good governance here.

Then the terms of MP’s are whittled down such that the post becomes unattractive, and we strengthen the governorship, and since they will be eight or 12 of them, we could somehow manage their terms of reference? Imagine improving on the terms of provincial commissioners by a few perks after changing the posts to become governorships? This would save this country’s treasury.

Secondly, the governors would be elected in the middle of the Mps terms, which would bring some political stability. Guys, we need a stable strong Kenya, MP’s will not take us anywhere.

Again, thank you Rhoune for opening up this discussion.

Peter.

On Jan 5, 3:05 pm, Rhoune Willis wrote:

Wanabidii,

Who is this who will be saviour of our beloved country? Can someone (none of the MPs can as they are very very very very greedy) introduce a bill to limit the number of terms a person can be an MP?, some of the MPs have sat on the seats for so long with no development records.

Once elected, we all know that these MPs hve used the opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of their constituents. One bull fighter even mentioned that paying taxes would make them be as miserable as their constituents (just to ask him, who is miserable?, not me, maybe you).

Limiting the MPs term would also ensure wealth redistribution, as many people will have the opportunity to enjoy the tax free money while the former MPs who had made their cash come down and contribute to the new Mps taxes. Otherwise some of these Mps whom we saw last year steal votes will continue to do so and we may only thank God when He (God) decides that their time is up from down here.

Something needs to be done and now. Lets have MPs terms limited. This way we will not have some of them heckling saying their political careers are destroyed, some are half backed with no careers so they talk of “political careers”, as if we dont have our political careers. I believe each and everyone of us has a political career for politics affect our day-to-day lives.

Regards,

Rhoune

The game of shame that surrounds Kibaki’s signing of media gag law is power play between the state and the people…read more at http://www.bulamwa.co.ke//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=116&Itemid=39

George Nyongesa
Bunge la Mwananchi
www.bulamwa.co.ke
+254 720 451 235

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:18:04 -0800 [12:18:04 PM CST]
From: George Nyongesa
Subject: Kenya: Media law: What are the opportunities?

Jambo Wanabidii,

To protect myself against spurrious law suits and baseless allegations certain folks may feel inspired to throw my way, let me warn right now that the contents of the thriller you’re about to read are just juicy rumors I picked up on the streets of Nairobi, London and New York. They are nothing but the usual Okello crap. In fact, when the folks at the Hague asked for a copy of this crap, I sent it to them along with a warning that the rumors and inuendo contained in the thriller should not form the basis for anything they wish to give the weight of a proclamation or serious ruling.

This is copyrighted material. I put it out there for your eyes only.

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:51:33 -0700 [05:51:33 AM CST]
From: samokello@ . . .
Subject: The Inside Story…How The Scoundrels Pulled Off The Coup

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Hey Okello,

Sure it was all Okello Crap thanks for forewarning us in advance.

Timothy Kihara

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:53:09 +0300 [08:53:09 AM CST]
From: Timothy Kihara
Subject: RE: The Inside Story…How The Scoundrels Pulled Off The Coup