Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:53:40 +0000 [01:53:40 PM CST]
From: Kennedy Oduor
Subject: RE: Coalition Government

Paul putting together an ECK is not so hard once Kenyans resolve that what they need is fresh elections. Electoral Commissioners are Kenyans appointed to conduct elections through the Constitution. So once calls from all corners of Kenya for fresh elections are made..there will be an electoral body to handle the elections. I tell you if we remain with this coalition for the next 4 years..wait and see what will happen in 2012..Massive Rigging and we shall back to December 2007 again.

I hope you read Mutahi Ngunyi’s article..the Media Bill is a prelude to massive rigging in 2012 and then silencing the media using the law..Uhuru Kenyatta at Finance will the conduit for campaign money for Saitoti..and swearing in Saitoti at night is no big deal..according to this deal..Kenyans will fight..make noise ..demonstrate but the rigged in candidate will stay..maybe we will have another negotiated coalition government..with whats going on..kenyans should forget a new Constitution by 2012..and Kenyans should forget that Tribalism will even be tampered with..It will always remain so long we have masses that are willing and ready to support tribalism and even defend tribalism and corruption..Havent you read in this forum people defending Kibaki and Kimunya??? havent you read people playing the card of lets blame them all..just as they did when PNU rigged in 2007? We are a long way brother but lets all be hopeful..

If Kenyans could shun tribalism..unite and vote in leaders according to their policies and not tribe then we can get rid of this yoke and build this country..we talk well in these forum..we even hate tribalism in these forum but when it comes to voting we vote tribes not policies..Who knew that Kibaki would handsomely win Central Province after the Artur Brother scandal..the Goldenberg..the Anglo-leasing..tribalism..no new Constitution..no respect for agreements..skewed allocation of resources..But people of Central still voted for him..because he was one of their own nomatter what he does to Kenya…who knew that anyone would vote for the Wako Draft which gave the President even more powers than he currently has?..people from central saw it differently..all they wanted was Kibaki at state house period nomatter what he stands for..Lets be honest with each other..and lets discuss hard issues..lets not run away from discussing tribalism..the eyesore in Kenya..

— On Mon, 26/1/09, Oulu Paul O. wrote:

From: Oulu Paul O.
Subject: RE: Coalition Government
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 8:12 AM

Mathias and Kennedy,

Thanks alot for the marvelous wisdom and opinion that you have showered on the above debate.

While I trully appreciate the views you have taken, I would like to hear your proposals on how we woud conduct an Election in the absense of an ECK.

Thae politicians seem to have conned us again. What we need first is to push this govt to put an ECK in place but calling for election without one is like shooting ourselves in the leg.

Comrades I agree with you that we need pressure and that it must be done sooner than later.

Kennedy Oduor wrote:

Mathias and Paul, thanks for all your suggestions about the Coalition government but I disagree with both of you. For Paul, there is totally no need of a second mediation..its a waste of time. One side of the coalition will never respect any negotiated agreements..you saw it in 2002 with the MoU and you have seen now with the National Accord. For Mathias, Kenyans are tired of this coalition coupled with hunger thats raving them and no hope for a better future. Secondly, Kenyans have no proper channels of putting pressure on this government. Kibaki can appoint Kimunya 20 times..what will you do?

Kibaki can easily ask “Kimunya amekula mbuzi ya nani?” After all he views that he has the powers to do whatever he wants. This is Kenya Mathias. I know that the electorate is waking up but its still failed by draconian laws that we have in this country. Kibaki even overlooked the vote of no confidence from parliament on Kimunya. Dont you know that the Artur case went like that..dont you know that goldenberg went like that..dont you know that anglo-leasing went like that..no one is in jail because of all the above. Ringera is but a stooge..Wako is but a stooge.

Here is the solution: LET KENYANS CALL FOR FRESH ELECTIONS so that we have a democratically elected government with mandate from the people to GOVERN. We dont want a fraud governing this country for five years as if kenyans cant elect a government they want and deserve. Lets all join in calling for fresh elections NOW…

— On Sun, 25/1/09, mathias aguta wrote:

From: mathias aguta
Subject: RE: Coalition Government
Date: Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 2:15 AM

Paul,
THank you for your compelling reasons for another mediation team to sort out the mess in the Coalition. However, I wish to disagree with you on this.

That the coalition has failed to deliver is clear for all to see. The uneasy cohabitation within the partners is apparent to all. The failure to amalgamate all the pre-election manifestos to lift the country out of political mediocrity and patronage that feeds corruption is testimony to the vanity in puting too much trust in a Coalition government that was forced on us by forces that had no capacity to monitor progress and ensure implementation of the agreements reached. Kenyans have simply given up on this government’s ability to work for its citizens.

Inspite of all these, it’s my view thatanother round of negotiations and mediation is a total waste of time and resources in trying to make our political impeciles see sense. We are simply tired. Giving them another chance to make agreements among themselves will be like throwing them a lifeline to continue fooling Kenyans till the eve of next elections. Instead Kenyans, ONLY Kenyans must now arise and put maximum pressure on this government to either deliver or quit. Every opportunity must be seized now to light fires under the bootoms of our incorrigible to lead or be forced out. This must continue up to the time of elections.

This way the power of the people will be felt by the greedy, corrupt and inept leaders who fail to understand that they have a contract of employment with Kenyans. I do not see a thing to mediate about. Will it be mediation between Kenyans and a few politicians who cannot deliver? Would it be another round at Serena hotel between the same current failures in parliament? Or is it mediation between the same old, confused, ideologically bankrupt tribal political parties? Another round to have the Karuas, Rutos, Odinga’s, Kibakis and all the crowd of them to bask in the limelight of a nation that cannot even feed her people? No, we are tired of all these. Let them be given an ultimatum by the Kenyan people. Right now. Or the people power must now be applied with the mightiest of forces. We can do this. We must do it.

Mathias.

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:00:16 -0800
From: oulugpo@ . . .
Subject: Coalition Government

ANOTHER MEDIATION TEAM IS URGENTLY REQUIRED TO AVERT A POSSIBLE FALLOUT IN THE COALITION

The Coalition government is a product of Kofi Annan led mediation team, entrenched and brought by the enactment of National Accord Act; an act that stipulates among others the conditions upon which the coalition government mandate shall come to an end. This is captured in the clause that say “….. In the event and circumstances that one party to the coalition withdraws from the coalition, the government shall cease to exist and as such fresh election would be called.†This means that withdrawal of one party either ODM or PNU will automatically lead to the collapse of the coalition.

The parties to the Coalition at this moment may want many Kenyans to believe that all is well within the Coalition; but the emerging and continuous differences and quarrels, open and public criticisms, the corruption and scandals, the blame games and the Ministerial defiance to the government policy of collective responsibility, is a clear show case that days ahead for the coalition government will not be a bed of roses. These are early signs that should raise the common man’s eyebrows on the question of commitment of the partners in the coalition towards making it work.

Of the recent past, the government and the parliament has behaved and treated Kenyan people in manner likely to amount to and suggest of their defiance to heed to the will of the citizens. The landmark being their refusal to pay tax, recycling of Kimunya back into the cabinet, the passing of the Communication Act 2009 and exporting maize to Sudan, at a time when Kenyans are starving to death. The politicians have given us every reason to believe that they would do anything without any sense of second thought to frustrate the aspirations of the Kenyan people; no wonder the report recently released by Steadman Group indicates that most Kenyans have no confidence in this Coalition government.

Most decision taken into consideration and implementation by this government is never a reflection of the national good. Thus the nation may one day wake up to a rude shock of one or both party declaration of their withdrawal from the Coalition; after all the parties have been behaving like two governments in one.

This is why we as a nation, although we are known never to plan in advance, must think of creating another mediation team to mend the emerging and threatening cracks within the Coalition government. The continuous unpopularity of the Coalition Government also calls for a quick intervention so that Kenya does not find itself in another phase of mess and confusion.

The wise men and women of this nation must begin a deliberate initiative and consultations on how to create a homegrown and home thought strategy to ensure that even in the event of fallout in the coalition government, Kenya will be able to have a safe landing and transition; after all not many are inspired by this government . The interest here is to ensure that after being battered by this political class and coalition government, Kenyans should not again find themselves in their brutal hands waiting for a solution for the problems that they created for us.

Civic education is urgently required to educate and enlighten Kenyans on the superiority and seniority between, connecting and distinguishing the Constitution and the National Accord; at the moment, we are not sure whether we are governed by the constitution or the national accord. The entire parliament was sworn as per the constitution while the government is a product of National Accord which is not entrenched in the Constitution.

The disbandment of ECK, compounded by both failure and delay of the government to constitute another ECK complicates this situation further, because it leaves Kenya in a precarious position. May the coalition collapse; the country will have no Electoral body to oversee the elections as required by the constitution. Besides in the scenario where the president either die or resign before the five year term, the country will find itself in a leadership stalemate courtesy of a constitutional – national accord conflict. The former states that is such a situation the Vice President is the second in command, while the later puts the prime minister second in command.

The risk and the uncertainty ahead can not be left in the hands of our politicians. They failed in 2007 and it took the intervention of a mediation team to bring normalcy, peace and a deal in the name of Coalition Government in Kenya, ending months of ethnic killings and destructions.

This is why we must look for such a team early enough before we start counting on unknown damages. The religious, the media, the private sector and Civil Societies groups should therefore read the writing on the wall and play the leading role in ensuring that this country does not slide back to any position of disadvantage or political captivity by the political class.

Yours faithfully

Signed

OULU GPO

P. O Box 4598-00200
Nairobi
Email; oulugpo@yahoo.com

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:36:13 +0000 [02:36:13 PM CST]
From: Kennedy Oduor
Subject: Raila Says He is not involved in Kimunya’s Appointment

PRIME Minister Raila Odinga yesterday hinted he was not involved in the reappointment of former Finance minister Amos Kimunya to the Cabinet after his perceived role in the controversial sale of the Grand Regency hotel. In an apparent reference to Kimunya’s reappointment even after the Cockar Commission found he should take responsibility for the controversial hotel deal, the ODM leader said each partner in the Coalition Government has the prerogative to appoint whoever it pleases and so cannot dictate to the other who to be in the Government.

“Each side of the Coalition has the prerogative to appoint whoever it wants and so I cannot dictate who is appointed to the Cabinet,” he said. Raila spoke at the American Embassy in Nairobi when he paid a courtesy call on US Ambassador Michael Ranneberger to congratulate him on his Government’s successful transition of power that saw Barack Obama who has Kenyan roots become the 44th President of US.

Raila said while he acknowledged the ongoing public outcry over Kimunya’s reappointment under the collective responsibility principle that bides both ODM and PNU entities in the Coalition , the latter reserves the right of its choice of individuals it appoints to the Cabinet. This latest development is a clear sign of the widening rift in the Government coming just days after President Kibaki reappointed Kimunya to the Cabinet. The Cockar Commission that investigated the irregular sale of the hotel, renamed Laico Regency, found that the Kipipiri MP should shoulder responsibility for the same.

Raila has over the last few weeks been under the spotlight in the Media for his inactivity as the supervisor of Government ministries to provide direction on the numerous cases of graft bedeviling the Government. He reiterated the Government’s commitment to fight the vice saying action was being taken in cases already identified and that action would be taken on any other cases that might come up.Ranneberger said it would not be business as usual between Kenya and his government until the culture of corruption and impunity in Government was dealt with.

— On Mon, 26/1/09, Matthew Ruigu wrote:

From: Matthew Ruigu
Subject: Re: Re: KIBAKI IS SHAMELESS……
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 6:20 AM

I think it is ridiculuos and shameful that the same characters that made Kenyan’s maul each other a year ago have now turned full circle. It is not even clear if they are in cahoots or each side is trying to steal as much as ossible to out do the other.

For instance, is the PM complicit in the reinstatement of Kimunya to cabinet, elevation of Uhuru? Do the President’s men know about Raila’s maize shenanigans? Someone once said that the worst thing about Moi is that he himself was involved in corruption. But what makes Kibaki better if he is not involved but is silent or indeed as it seems unable to stop the carnage?

It is a shame that this historic times ala First-black-President-in USA are also times when our own history is about wallowing in the worst of times in all spheres. When you think about it no Kenyan leader-not even Raila (especially not him) has any moral authority over Robert Mugabe.

Matthew

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:15 PM, RENOLDS CHEPTUMO wrote:

Gicheru,

It is true we cannot agree with Kibaki everytime he makes a move!! but it is just that, his moves are so tribal and open to an extend that we cant fail to see it, infact he does not care what we think. Do you realise his moves are always tribaly inclined? why for instance is it that since he became the president in 2002, the offices of finance and security has always been occupied by a Kikuyu? and in CBK he set up a commission to investigate the former governor only to replace him with a kikuyu even when the investigation is still going on. Rememer, Moi was there for 24 years and not a single Kalenjin became a finance mminister!! can that tell you something? even when I know Moi was also a tribalist!!!

And now he has re instated Kimunya even when a commission he set up to envestigate him had placed a liability tag on Kimunya’s neck!!! and to make it even worse, he is reinstating Kimunya even when Parliament passed a motion of no confidence on him. So lets not defend Kimunya just because ni mtu wa nyumba, we may never know what he did, but our leaders should always be ready to take responsibility in their actions and utterances. Kibaki should not be singing zero tolerance to corruption and yet he is engaged deep to the neck through his cronies and expect the people to just keep quite!!, So I think you will be doing your country a service by talking against the ills (corruption) perpetrated by these politicians, otherwise you may be the one seeing everything through a tribal lens!!

Good day.

From: michael nganga
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:50:36 PM
Subject: Re: Re: KIBAKI IS SHAMELESS……

i think u guys are losing track, and to be more specific, the likes of akina Jimmy G. We shouldnt compromise with these corrupt good-for-scandals ‘leaders’ of ours. Its true that a prezzy cannot please all. but should we wait and watch our country fall like its happening in certain southern african state? Let no mwanabidii defend their actions. Lets fight together, since its we who are dieing of hunger, and ALL they can do for us is just to belch at us.
The campaign begins now. Talk about it with your pals.

Truly, BROTHER-IN-RAGE.

— On Mon, 1/26/09, james gicheru wrote:

From: james gicheru
Subject: Re: Re: KIBAKI IS SHAMELESS……
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:39 AM

My two cents worth,

whoever the president is…no matter what action he does….will never please everyone….hata Obama, no matter how good his speeches are,he is not loved by everyone…so whatever moved Kibaki makes…there will always be the likes of Joram and others calling him shameless, there will always be others incaserating him as a tribal being with the good of GEMA in his heart only…etc…..the key thing I believe is for us as wanabidii to carefully distinguish between rantings of disapproving members giving baseless, pointless, clueless arguments from the more genuine wanabidii who are able to look at the bigger picture and argue from a more global, less tribal, and sober point of view that looks down on tribalism and promotes nationalism.

my two cents

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Charles Makoko wrote:

Njagi,
Why blames the messengers they were just acting oh behalf of the master and the master has just confirmed that what ever this guys did they did it on his iinstruction and u have no bussiness throwing them out of Government.So UK and AK deserved reward for following masters instructions to the letter , Having Issues Go ask Master.

—- Original Message —–
From: anthony njagi
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: KIBAKI IS SHAMELESS……

UKABILA IISHE JORAM. youre here talking about the same language youre speaking!!!!!!! its time we looked at things objectively. KIBAKI IS SHAMELESS????? Kindly look at the article itself…note the underlined words

A statement from the Presidential Press Service said the appointments followed consultations with Prime Minister Raila Odinga. “These changes and appointments take effect immediately.”

its time we stop looking at things from one side. the enemy isnt one.youre blinded by the right hand slapping you while the left cheers.

change your tune man……

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Joram Odus wrote:

How can he appoint HK Finance Minister with all indications that he financed and organise ‘mungiki’ to kill innocent Kenyans and re-appoint Kimunya who was censured by Parliament because of his dubious dealings. This is simply unbelievable. It is a TRUE that Finance ministry MUST reside in Mt. Kenya region.

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:31:59 -0800
From: nyatawo@a . . .
Subject: Re: 2012 CHANGE REVOLUTION:VOICE OF REASON…

Ndugu George

You are not the only one. There are a lot of people out there just as gutted. These goons need to shown that this country can do better for its people. It is Nairobi which is broken and all of us must rise up to the great call to fix it.

From: Kenfish
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:12:50 PM
Subject: Re: 2012 CHANGE REVOLUTION:VOICE OF REASON…

George

All of them will go home in 2012. We are going to have a very nasty campaign against these goons WEF 2010, mpaka 2012, whether they change or not, the writing is on the wall.

And when I happen to make it like the others who will try their hands, we will turn this country upside down, shaking every corner to ensure things work differently. I am sick and tired too.

Kenfish.

On Jan 23, 3:52 pm, EUGEON AGENCIES wrote:

WANABIDII,

Guys,we have all seen this current government the way they are stealing massively, i am making a proposal today to anyone who is between 18 to 45 years old,lets make a change! lets remove these guys and put extremely new persons,that is you,you,you and me! EVERYONE in the current parliament must be CHANGED! WOTE FROM the most top mpaka huku chini.

Am sick of all the ills affecting kenya and these fellows care less! lets make a change guys pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! Am speaking to all constituents around kenya.DONT BRING BACK YOUR CURRENT MP BACK TO PARLIAMENT!!…yes its you am speaking to,yeah,you who is and will be 18 to 45 years in 2012…

any takers or am alone in this?????

ABUOGO OWINO GEORGE..

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:32:18 +0400 [02:32:18 PM CST]
From: g odhiambo
Subject: Re: Mutahi Ngunyi: Kibaki planning a 2012 rigging

The same way project Uhuru failed in 2002, project whoever will also fail. If they lost elections even with 1,2 million dead voters in 2007, how will they win in 2012?

If anything, Saitoti may not be the prefered candidate for the GEMA’s….Uhuru is the one they may push ahead and he will miserably fail! Kenyans are tired of mass looting, tribalism and massive corruption

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Betty Muragori wrote:

Dear All,
I was stopped in my tracks when I read Mutahi Ngunyi’s piece on Sunday. I was also gripped by an ice cold fear. What he wrote I beielve to be true. He has acted the seer before and I could see the fortelling in this piece. You know it isn’t even tribal thinking that fuels these evil fools. It is actually death. They died long ago and they want to take the rest of us down with them. And they will succeed if we let them. How do we stop them? This is the inquiry that we each one of us has to now engage in not in anger, not in cyniscim (how is this word spelled?).

Betty

— On Mon, 1/26/09, henry ouma wrote:

From: henry ouma
Subject: Re: Mutahi Ngunyi: Kibaki planning a 2012 rigging
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:30 PM

useless puerile thinking ! Who will allow octagenarians(all of them ) to ruin Kenya 2012 we shall have gone Ugatuzi so they can ruin their tribes and villages. We are fed up with tribal grandeur from old, useless, corrupt, balded,bearded, inept and backward politics of the tribe for the useless docile tribe.Useless !

— On Mon, 1/26/09, Winnie wrote:

From: Winnie
Subject: Re: Mutahi Ngunyi: Kibaki planning a 2012 rigging
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 2:08 PM

Woow such an eye opener

I just wonder what the young people or we so say ‘the leaders of tomorrow’ are doing about this before 2012 catches up with us. but to be honest we need to revolutionize Kenya and its only new, young and dynamics people who can do that.

W

On Jan 26, 1:10 am, mike oketch wrote:
Opinion

Is Kibaki’s succession plan viable?
By MUTAHI NGUNYIPosted Saturday, January 24 2009 at 17:04

In Summary
* An orange tree cannot bear oranges one year and bananas the
following year
* If President Kibaki has motive and a potential successor, what are his methods of executing this plan?

Today I will beg leave from reason and push a conspiracy theory. I call it a conspiracy because I read a pattern in President Kibaki’s actions. A pattern that suggests a possible manipulation of the 2012 election.

But before I make my argument, allow me to mention Mr Raila Odinga in passing. To repeat myself, I believe Mr Odinga has been set up for failure by the President.

I say so because the Prime Minister can organise people ”against” an idea.

However, he is weak at organising people in ”support” of an idea. This imbalance makes him look like a ”deconstructionist”.

With the cameras on him consistently, he is bound to reveal his true nature.

He actually did so this week. He told reporters to focus on the ”goodies” he brought from India instead of asking ”useless” questions about the maize and oil scandals.

This comment was ill-conceived and in bad taste. And this is why whenever Mr Odinga gets an opportunity to shut up, he must grab it with dear life.

This way, he will have enough time to study President Kibaki’s silent schemes.

Now I must plead temporary insanity and advance my conspiracy theory. For starters, the 2012 election will be rigged. And I say so because nothing has changed.

The players are the same and their motives are intact. In other words, an orange tree cannot bear oranges one year, and bananas the following year.

If nothing has changed, we should not expect them to rig in 2007 and be of good behaviour in 2012. And although both principals are guilty of manipulation in 2007, the man to rig the election in 2012 is the President.

Consider my hypotheses. One, President Kibaki has motive. In fact, his motive is two-fold. During the Moi era, he led the GEMA community for 27 years. They languished in the cold, and their businesses had to fold. Now that they are back, they will protect their turf.

The Kibaki motive, therefore, is to craft a succession that will protect GEMA — at least at face value. And this brings me to his second and real motive. His interest is not GEMA; it is the protection of property. In fact when Mr Uhuru Kenyatta was appointed Finance Minister, I exclaimed aloud “â€|what a joke!” But when I cooled down, it dawned on me that his appointment had only one purpose. The man will not create new wealth; he is there to protect old wealth. Period!

My second hypothesis regards the Kibaki choices and actors. If his motive is to protect wealth, who will execute the brief? Which crony will succeed him?

Is it Mr Kenyatta? My submission is that the propertied are shameless. If Mr Kenyatta is the man to protect their turf, they will install him and swear him in at night if they have to. However, I doubt that he is their choice. More so because Mr Kenyatta himself told us that: “â€| some people claim that I am in the Waki List”. If he is indeed on this list, he will have to climb down from his new high. He will have to resign pending investigations as required by the Waki process. What about Mr Kalonzo Musyoka, the Vice-President?

This man is not wealthy; he is just rich. Riches can be squandered in one generation, but wealth takes generations to exhaust. And because Mr Musyoka does not understand wealth, he cannot be on the Kibaki short list. The same applies to M/s Martha Karua. She is just a peasant from Gichugu; not sufficiently pedigree.

Although she has promise, they view her as nothing but a clever> ”chatterbox”. This leaves us with only one man — Prof George Saitoti. He is Kikuyu and not Kikuyu.

Similarly, he is wealthy and wealthy. But is he acceptable to President Kibaki’s supporters? In my view, this is not important. If they have to beat the GEMA peasants into accepting the good professor, they will. And this brings me to my third hypothesis. If President Kibaki has motive, and a potential successor, what are his methods of executing this plan? He started early. First, he signed the media law.

And on this one, the media owners goofed. One philosopher said “â€|you do not recite poetry to a man carrying a sword: you draw your sword”. The President signed the media law with a pen on one hand and a sword on the other. He was on the war path. But instead of drawing their swords, the media decided to read him some poetry. And, because of this, they lost the initiative and have to negotiate on the President’s terms.

With the media contained, he can impose a successor if he wanted to! His second method of execution relates to ECK. And my take is that ODM was duped into disbanding the commission hurriedly. Although they will appoint the new Independent Commission together, the choice of officials at the commission country-wide will be influenced by Mr Francis Muthaura.

And if this is true, the election bureaucracy will be built to respond to President Kibaki’s schemes. This will make rigging more believable. The third execution method will be force. A curious finding of the Waki Report is that the Administration Police unit had grown exponentially. Expert estimates show that it is now at close to 20,000 or three army brigades. This unit is directly under Prof Saitoti’s command as Minister for Internal Security.

It is the unit they used to fix the rioting mobs last year. The officers in the unit look like robots and are better equipped than the regular police.

My point? If we resist President Kibaki’s successor, why shouldn’t these robots be used to fix us? More so if his motive is real? And now a thought for our striking teachers. Good people “â€| you have nothing to lose except your chains.” You must not give up because the liberation of our country could be in your hands. You have my prayers!

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:53:04 -0600 [09:53:04 AM CST]
From: AliYoung Mahamud\
Subject: Re: Fwd: The Anyang’ memo causing ripples and shock in ODM.

If this was a recorded conversation, then it is believable. But, honestly, you think anyone in his right mind will put this writing – especially between Raila and Anyang? I take this with a large grain of salt.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Harriet Watindi wrote:

Why would anyone want to put that kind of information on paper and in the same breathe state that in future such deals should be kept under the table with no traces left anywhere??. Sounds like a poor attempt to try and empathizes a point that needs no emphasis?? we kinda’ have a rough idea what happened and really ‘we need no other argument(evidence) we need no other plea’ It is enough that we know that something went down and that some people in high places were involved…..

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:59 PM, oscar oundo wrote:

could this memo be for real or thi is just propagated information to discredit these fellas but its interesting to see how odm handles this case since we have all witnessed raila’s failure in relating to the media when his own is involved in scandals.

— On Mon, 1/26/09, Willie Munyambu wrote:

From: Willie Munyambu
Subject: Fwd: The Anyang’ memo causing ripples and shock in ODM.
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:51 AM

…cannot quite vouch for the source, but interesting to watch the developments…

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:18:44 -0800 [10:18:44 AM CST]
From: PAUL ODERA
Subject: Re: AP’S MISSUSING POWER

The whole system is broken. The AP’s are obviously void of any ethic or moral responsiblity. Solution is the change revolution.

— On Fri, 1/23/09, otieno sungu wrote:

From: otieno sungu
Subject: Re: AP’S MISSUSING POWER
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 3:31 PM

Jenaette.

Also realise that ideally, roads should be marked with clear signs where you should not make wrong turns etc. Remember, you may be driving in a new neighbourhood or worse still, be a foreignor trying to find your way.

How many of our roads are clearly marked so drivers can clearly see the dos and don’ts? you cannot possibly know all the right and wrong turns all over the country. If you are not meant to park at certain areas, they ought to be marked as such. You are not an angel on the road to know everything. signs exist precisely for that…like do not make a u turn, dead end etc….

Sungu.
Juba.

— On Fri, 1/23/09, Janet mafunga wrote:

From: Janet mafunga
Subject: Re: AP’S MISSUSING POWER
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 8:20 AM

LOL, ati they hide in the bushes ready to catch people making wrong turns? Now that is an interesting sight. But again on the other hand, Kenyans need to learn to obey traffic rules and stop making jua kali maneuvers. Not that it excuses grown up policemen hiding in bushes, but it would make driving on our roads a pleasure. Living in a country where traffic rules are obeyed to the letter, I was scared stiff of getting behind the wheel in Nairobi over the christmas holidays. How people leave their homes drive through town and get back home without their cars being scratched or bumped left, right, centre is still beyond my understanding.

As for the Bush APs, one day they will learn a lesson. Mercy, better stay away as they can arrest you for a reason that will leave you scarred for life.

Jeanette M. Khaoya

— On Fri, 1/23/09, mercy kivanda wrote:

From: mercy kivanda
Subject: AP’S MISSUSING POWER
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 1:59 PM

hey guys,
I have an issue i would like to bring up,hoping someone will come with a better or workable solutions.There are two AP’s who every morning,instead of patrolling peponi road,are always hiding behind the bushes(fence)of peponi plaza.(next to nakumatta westgate)
The reason is the are waiting for unsuspecting motorist to make a wrong turn just after peponi plaza!My concern here is that, arent the police Utumishi kwa wote?Instead of them waiting to catch the traffic offenders(and yet they are not traffic cops!) then demand for 300 to 500 bob from them,otherwise they threaten to take you to parklands,why cant they stand at that same junction and direct the would be culprits to the right turn?what can someone do in this case.I wish i had the guts to go tell them off but am scared of the Ak 47 they carry with them.

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:54:57 +0300 [07:54:57 AM CST]
From: Jennifer.Waititu@ . . . [Kenya]
Subject: Re: 2012 CHANGE REVOLUTION:VOICE OF REASON…

THAT INCLUDES THEIR SONS, DAUGHTERS, BROTHERS, SISTERS, IN-LAWS AND ANYONE CONNECTED TO THEM IN ANY WAY.

PERSONALLY, I WANT FRESH, FRESH, FRESH “BLOOD”.

NIMECHOKA!!!!!…….

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:27:02 -0800 [09:27:02 AM CST]
From: TARIQ JEPTEBKENY
Subject: Re: 2012 CHANGE REVOLUTION:VOICE OF REASON…

i agree with you on this all members of parliament should go home, and we should not suffer because of people who care less about kenyans waende home

— On Fri, 1/23/09, Kenfish wrote:

From: Kenfish
Subject: Re: 2012 CHANGE REVOLUTION:VOICE OF REASON…
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:12 AM

George

All of them will go home in 2012. We are going to have a very nasty campaign against these goons WEF 2010, mpaka 2012, whether they change or not, the writing is on the wall.

And when I happen to make it like the others who will try their hands, we will turn this country upside down, shaking every corner to ensure things work differently. I am sick and tired too.

Kenfish.

On Jan 23, 3:52 pm, EUGEON AGENCIES wrote:

WANABIDII,

Guys,we have all seen this current government the way they are stealing massively, i am making a proposal today to anyone who is between 18 to 45 years old,lets make a change! lets remove these guys and put extremely new persons,that is you,you,you and me! EVERYONE in the current parliament must be CHANGED! WOTE FROM the most top mpaka huku chini.

Am sick of all the ills affecting kenya and these fellows care less! lets make a change guys pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! Am speaking to all constituents around kenya.DONT BRING BACK YOUR CURRENT MP BACK TO PARLIAMENT!!…yes its you am speaking to,yeah,you who is and will be 18 to 45 years in 2012…

any takers or am alone in this?????

ABUOGO OWINO GEORGE..

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:32:32 -0800 [10:32:32 AM CST]
From: ndebele okoth
Subject: Re: KIBAKI IS SHAMELESS……

Joram,

What we need is the devolution of power, we need a new constitutions that will allow the Majimbo type of government or else come 2012 Kenyans must be ready for another worse bloodbath.

In fact with current constitution there is noway that nepotism will ever not reign in Kenya. Kenya is being governed by gang of criminals elites.

Rev Okoth Otura

— On Fri, 1/23/09, Joram Odus wrote:

From: Joram Odus
Subject: KIBAKI IS SHAMELESS……
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 6:06 PM

How can he appoint HK Finance Minister with all indications that he financed and organise ‘mungiki’ to kill innocent Kenyans and re-appoint Kimunya who was censured by Parliament because of his dubious dealings. This is simply unbelievable. It is a TRUE that Finance ministry MUST reside in Mt. Kenya region.

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:31:59 -0800
From: nyatawo@ . . .
Subject: Re: 2012 CHANGE REVOLUTION:VOICE OF REASON…

Ndugu George

You are not the only one. There are a lot of people out there just as gutted. These goons need to shown that this country can do better for its people. It is Nairobi which is broken and all of us must rise up to the great call to fix it.

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:27:37 -0800 [10:27:37 AM CST]
From: Julius Okelo
Subject: Re: Kimunya back to the Cabinet, Uhuru is finance minister

The appointing authority does not care about KENYA period!

— On Fri, 1/23/09, maureen jahenda wrote:

From: maureen jahenda
Subject: Re: Kimunya back to the Cabinet, Uhuru is finance minister
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 4:24 AM

Robert,

You forgot to mention that Uk is the new Finance Minister?????

WHAT DO WE CALL IT, THE MUPPET OR PUPPET SHOW???

Maureen

From: Robert Alai
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:08:43 PM
Subject: Kimunya back to the Cabinet, Uhuru is finance minister

http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=5301#post5301

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:17:02 +0300 [01/22/2009 12:17:02 PM CST]
From: joseph nyongesa
Subject: Re: Does Kenya has two anthems or what?

In this world, one can give a silly answer to a silly question to show the “askee” that they are not the wiser in the asking of a question. For equally the same effect or better, one can give a clever answer to the same silly question. That folly of the “askee” be exposed in the asking of a silly question – and therefore the “superior genius” of the responder be “manifestly manifest”.
But seeing that there is nothing like a silly question, much less a silly answer, and there being no real genius. And all things being mere “voices of the wind”, a response shall not be forth comming. In short, If there is nothing to say, let us say nothing- that is keep silent.
Fare thee well

Nyongesa situma.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:46 AM, liya wrote:

J.Nyongesa, I have come to the conclusion that you try hard to entertain yourself but at our expense. But again, this is your democratic space so you will continue to do so, that is, having your own internal/personal conversations with your person self. If this is what makes you most happy and confident to face the world, So be it!!!! And we, continue to endure! BTW, is your intention/objective of communicating to communicate??

On Jan 4, 2:05 pm, “joseph nyongesa” wrote:

This is the question that was posed before my face by a colleague at church. He asked this because he failed to reconcile the similarity of the English anthem and the Swa one -save the tune. I told him that the two agree in their dissimilarity but promised to follow the matter up.

Of course being boyz we talked about other stuff and the obvious topic that does not miss –women. For the problem of men(simple men) is still women and the problem of women is men. Of his resolutions this year is to hook upon which I asked him how come it is that. How come because I didn’t want to put him on the defensive with a “why?” after all we were still in church. The long and short of this is he gave excuses bethinking them to be reasons. We were in church and I had the good sense to not put him to task.

And now back to the problem of anthem. The problem of the anthem is kinda the same prob I have been having with what people call the bible and the real scriptures. There is such a variance as to scandalize any sober person. As for the translations, some are plain scandalous.

Good people, is Christianity serious? Christianity is clearly not serious.

Kenya has two anthems. The one English and the other in Swa….

Fare thee well.

UN appoints Kenya’s Justice Aluoch to ICC

Updated 6 hr(s) 46 min(s) ago
By Susan Anyangu
Kenya’s Appellate judge Lady Justice Joyce Aluoch has been appointed as a judge of the International Criminal Court.
Justice Aluoch beat tough competition, trouncing renowned judges from across the world to capture one of the highly coveted positions.
Following the appointment by the UN General Assembly on Monday, Kenyans who find themselves accused of crimes against humanity may just face, their very own at The Hague.
According to the ICC website, Justice Aluoch was elected at the final round of the vote and garnered two thirds majority required and will serve for nine years.
Her election came two months after a Kenyan diplomat Zachary Muburi-Mwita was elected one of the vice presidents of the ICC secretariat.
Speaking to The Standard from New York, Justice Aluoch expressed delight and surprise at the appointment.
“I do not know what to say. This is God’s miracle. It was tough. We have been here since January 6 lobbying for the position and God has come through for us.”
The ICC is an independent, permanent court that has jurisdiction to try persons accused of the gravest crimes of international concern. These crimes include genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes.
According to its website, the ICC is a court of last resort. “It will not act if a case is investigated or prosecuted by a national judicial system unless the national proceedings are not genuine, for example if formal proceedings were undertaken solely to shield a person from criminal responsibility”.
Kenya has been under the spotlight from the ICC Prosecutor’s office following the recommendations of the Waki report concerning the instigators of post-election violence.
The Waki Commission recommended that should the government fail to constitute a local tribunal to investigate those suspected of perpetrating the violence, the list of suspects should be forwarded to the ICC.
Justice Aluoch has extensive judicial experience spanning over three decades pitching her in the highest court in the country, the Court of Appeal.
She joined the judiciary as a District Magistrate in 1974 and rose through the ranks to her current position. Justice Aluoch was elected to the High Court in 1983.
She holds a Masters Degree in International Affairs from Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University in Boston, USA. She graduated from the University of Nairobi with an LLB and also holds a Diploma in Legal Studies from the Kenya School of Law.

Justice Aluoch makes history as Kenya’s first judge at Hague

Updated 2 hr(s) 59 min(s) ago
By Susan Anyangu
Kenya’s Appellate Judge Lady Justice Joyce Aluoch has been appointed as a judge to the International Criminal Court (ICC).
Justice Aluoch trounced renowned judges from across the world to capture one of the highly coveted positions.
And now, following the appointment by the UN General Assembly on Monday,

Justice Aluoch: God’s miracle
Kenyans who find themselves accused of crimes against humanity may just face their very own Justice Aluoch at The Hague.
Speaking to The Standard from New York, Aluoch expressed delight and shock at the appointment.
Said she: “I do not know what to say. This is God’s miracle. It was tough. We have been here since January 6 lobbying for the position and God has come through for us.”
Final round
According to the ICC website, Aluoch was elected at the final round of the vote and garnered two-thirds majority required and will serve for nine years.
Her election came two months after a Kenyan diplomat, Zachary Muburi-Mwita was elected one of the vice-presidents of the ICC secretariat.
Aluoch first beat a host of 11 African lawyers and judges to become the first Kenyan to sit on the ICC Bench and would be joined by Monageng Sanji Mmasenono from Botswana.
The ICC Bench is composed of 18 judges carefully elected to represent various regions.
Competition to serve on the Bench of the ICC is stiff and for Aluoch to be elected, Kenya had to put up a serious campaign to lobby for her candidature.
“The ICC has jurisdiction to try war criminals. Getting elected to serve in the ICC is no mean feat. The process is highly competitive and Justice Aluoch deserves a pat on the back,” said former nominated MP Njoki Ndung’u.
Ndung’u praised the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Attorney General and Kenyan delegation for what she termed a great campaign to get Aluoch elected.
She said the appointment was good news coming at a time when the US President Barack Obama, who traces his roots to Kenya, assumed office.
“International positions rarely go to women and an African for that matter. This is a major achievement and will serve as an inspiration for many Kenyan women. The fact that she got the highest number of votes goes to confirm the international community’s confidence in her,” she said.
The Law Society of Kenya chairman Okong’o Omogeni welcomed Aluoch’s election and said it was a great honour to the country’s legal profession.
“I congratulate and wish her all the best. Her appointment to the ICC Bench is a statement of the international community’s confidence in the Kenyan legal system,” said Omogeni.
Knowledgeable
Ndung’u said this would open doors for more Kenyans to be appointed to international positions.
Aluoch has extensive judicial experience spanning more than three decades. She joined the Judiciary as a district magistrate in 1974 and rose through the ranks to her current position. She was appointed to the High Court in 1983.
Apart from serving on the Bench, Aluoch is knowledgeable in human rights and international humanitarian laws, especially on children’s rights.
She also served as the chairperson of the African Union Committee on the Rights of the Child in Addis Ababa between 2001 and 2005.
Wealth of experience
In 2000 Aluoch was appointed a judge of the International Tribunal for war-affected children.
Currently, she chairs the Multi-sectoral National Task Force formed by the AG to implement the Sexual Offences Act, 2006. She holds a Masters degree in International Affairs from Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Tufts University in Boston, USA. She graduated from University of Nairobi with a Bachelors degree in law and also holds a Diploma in Legal Studies from Kenya School of Law.
Aluoch singled out Mr Mwita, Kenya’s Ambassador and Permanent Representative to the Kenyan Mission in the UN in New York, and the legal officer, Stella Orina as having played a pivotal role for her to be elected.
The ICC is an independent, permanent court that has jurisdiction to try persons accused of the gravest crimes of international concern. These crimes include genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. According to its website, the ICC is a court of last resort. “It will not act if a case is investigated or prosecuted by a national judicial system unless the national proceedings are not genuine, for example if formal proceedings were undertaken solely to shield a person from criminal responsibility.”
Kenya has been under the spotlight from the ICC prosecutor’s office following the recommendations of the Waki Report on post-election violence.
The Waki Commission recommended that should the Government fail to constitute a local tribunal to investigate those suspected of perpetrating the violence, the suspects should be forwarded to the ICC.
Since it began operating in 2002, the ICC has investigated war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Uganda, the Central-African Republic and Darfur.
Last week, The former president of the Congo Liberation Movement, Jean-Pierre Bemba, appeared before the ICC on Monday to face five counts of war crimes allegedly committed in the Central African Republic between 2002 and 2003.
On July 14 last year, ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo requested the court to issue a warrant for the arrest of Sudanese President Omar Hassan Ahmad al-Bashir for alleged crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes in Darfur region of western Sudan.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:22:21 -0800 [06:22:21 PM CST]
From: Judy Miriga
Subject: Congratulation Judge Lady Justice Joyce Aluoch! ! ! ! !

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:40:43 -0800 [11:40:43 AM CST]
From: sammy maina
Subject: Re: Coalition Government MUST be dissolved!!!

I agree with you brother but we as kenyans need change, change to our way of thinking.A change that will deliver us from the york of ethnic backgrounds.For sure even if we go for another election, we can only change the tune but the same song of blame game.We have ideologically assumed that our politicians are leaders but the case is different.For now we can say we dont have leaders, from the president , prime minister along with the mps.All we have is a clique of people out to exploit kenyans with thier own selfish gains.So where do we go from here
I think its the high time we gonna come together and be a one PEOPLE because Jan 2008 we were many tribes killing each other, come 2009 we are KENYANS DYING OF STARVATION.While our so called ministers , and mps are pocketing hundrends of thousands.
We have to get a fresh person without stains of politics, we must accept him whether from which background, we must give him confidence and support, we must go down and pray for this person.Now it is not from the line of Kenyatas, Odingas, kibakis or other prominent people we hear.The person must be ready to change the settings of the government, denying mps the right to make laws and empowering our judicial bodies, When this time come we will recapture the Kenyan lost Glory.

— On Wed, 1/21/09, otieno sungu wrote:

From: otieno sungu
Subject: Coalition Government MUST be dissolved!!!
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 12:54 AM

It is now imperative that this government is dissolved and fresh elections called. This may sound harsh and too soon but there comes a time when hard decisions have to be made for the sake of posterity.

We have a government that is limping along under the burden of illegitimacy, the burden of rampant corruption and split loyalty to the two Principals. The issue of split loyalty is a dangerous precedent and a threat to democracy, service delivery and smooth running of government.

Today we all know that there are Minister’s the President cannot sack as they owe him no loyalty even though they pledged to do so, he is a harmstringed lame duck who is wobbling without any proper direction for this country and has to look over his shoulder ( at the Prime Minister) before he does anything!

This has become the recipe for inertia, from public service appointments to dealing with corruption.

Kibaki may or may not have won the elections but his actions during and after the bungled elections are now the strings bind him for the next 4 years, along with the rest of us. We as Kenyans, must say no to such bondage and share in this dilemma. We cannot have a non-functional government for another 4 years,with the Minister for Finance projecting that salaries may have to be cut for it to survive? Survive for whom? The 40 plus Ministers?The tax evading MPs? the never performing AG, Chief Justice, KACA Director, etc etc?

The people of Kenya must start a peaceful revolution that will reclaim their country and give it direction. We must, if need be, refuse to be governed like this, refuse for our money to be taken by thieving Ministers gatecrashing into functions for which it has been made clear they are unwanted, stealing food meant for the poor and conniving with crooks to defraud our country and its institutions. We must refuse to pay taxes if our taxes will not be used to satisfy our needs as a country. If the worst comes to the worst, we must be ready to sacrifice comfort for the sake of our future generations.

It is time to demand that this government steps down because it is no longer leading us somewhere but just anywhere a new day brings…..and that could be right into a failed state situation.

I therefore submit that fresh elections be conducted within the next 1 year to elect a leader that is not shamed by decisions he makes knowing very well that he does so on our behalf, with confidence and with our mandate.

Otieno Sungu.
Juba.